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Wow, thank you  for sharing those great pictures. The difference to the austrian orders i can see (correct me if I'm wrong) is, that it seems like they got the same sash as normally, but wear them around the neck, whereas the austrian sashs were specially sewn for priests (without any rosettes or meshs and without the two ends, not that long and it seems like they even have a curvature to fit better)

On the first picture Carol shared of Bishop Melchisedec the two upper sashs look like miniature sashs, very interesting

I found a picture of Archduke Rudolph of Austria, Cardinal and Archbishop of Olmütz (or Olomouc in english), waering the grandcross of the order of Saint Stephen and what's more interesting he's wearing, what I think is the Hausorden der Rautenkrone (House Order of the Rue Crown) behind it.

As you know there were and are special grandcross sashes for priests in austria, that are worn around the neck. Were they only a austrian phenomen or do they exist elsewhere?

Archbishop Vincenc Eduard Milde:   (Source: Wikipedia)

Cardinal-Archbishop Joseph Othmar Ritter von Rauscher: (Source: Wikipedia)

Cardinal-Archbishop Johann Rudolf Kutschker: (Source Wikipedia)

Another picture from Kutschker: 

Cardinal-Archbishop Friedrich Gustav Piffl: (also Wikipedia, look at that Red Cross star!)

If you wonder, in the first Republic these sashes or should I say giant neckbands still existetd:

Cardinal-Archbishop Theodor Innitzer (Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um die Republik Österreich). He's wearing the beautiful Cappa Magna (rearaly seen today). The painting is by Tom von Dreger, he also painted Cardinal Piffl.

von Dreger did also paint Kaiser Franz Joseph I as British field marshal (I think his batton and Garter can be seen at the HGM in Vienna) in 1913 (Quelle: Belvedere Wien)

By the way, isn't it forbidden to where both the collar and the sash or "Greater and Lesser George" of the order of the garter together...

But back to the topic. Those priest sashes also exist for the 1952 Ehrenzeichen für Verdienste um die Republik Österreich.

Last year His Excellancy The Apostolic Nuntius Archbishop Zurbriggen (Yes I love those titles) went into retirement:

And at the end heres a priest version of a grand cross of the order of the Iron Crown:

I would love to see more pictures and get more information about this beatuiful variety.

Those are nice pieces Christian. Thank you for sharing.

On 05/03/2019 at 10:24, 1812 Overture said:

I don't have this book, but when he auctioned, I saved some photos that I can send to you.

I would appreciate that, thanks

Thats what I thought, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert, so I still thought maybe its a super special fancy version, which is so rear it's worth the price...

That book is so beautiful, i am still looking for a copy, they are hard to find.

That makes sense, the Centenary often looks unproportional on medal bars.

I found this Franz Joseph Kleindekoration at Weitze, the price is 48850€

Is it really that rear. In the description they say they have it on offer for the first time since 30 years

Thank you very much for youre answer!

I know the K.D. means Kriegsdekoration, I was just wondering if there were etuis especially made for the Kleindekoration like for example for the Ordern der Eisernen Krone. I have not seen that with the MVK.

I always have doubts about the Kleindekorationen cause it seems easy to raise the price of a piece just by ading the little metal peace.

That's really extremely interesting, I like those chinese uniforms. Thank you for posting!

I found this one:

Is that Kleindekoration genuine and was this etui used for the Kleindekoration. (was there maybe a case with "Kleindekoration" on it)?

I wouldn't do it, isn't there a way to protect them otherwise. Tearing something apart is always a loss of information...

Thanks for all the replies, it was sold on ebay for 660€

Is this a genuine piece? I have a bad feeling...

Thanks!

It's magnificent...

Thats a current decoration from the 2nd Republic. It's called "Wehrdienstzeichen 1.Klasse für 25 Jahre"

I bought mine for I think 25 euros.

It was created in 1963 as "Bundesheerdienstzeichen" and renamed to the current name in 1989.

Here is a "Stammliste", were Bernadotte isn't considered a son

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/oldenburg/oldenburg8.html#C13

This was after 1919, so he just got the "von" as part of his name, but not as "Adelsprädikat", somehow similiar to Lichtenberg.

The line of the Ribbentrop family Joachim Robbentrop was part of hasn't been nobilitated, but others. Gertrud von Ribbentrop, who adopted him was a far relative.

The "Deutscher Adelsausschuß" calls this "Scheinadel", I don't know an english expression.

On 23/10/2018 at 03:42, Bayern said:

Bernadotte was made Prince of Pontecorvo by Napoleon .but not was the power of the Ogre what made Bernadotte King .he was elected as succesor on the throne of the childless Charles Xiii against the wish of Bonaparte. Charles XIII was certainly a Holstein Gottorp but the jure Bernadotte was also a Holstein too

I don't think Bernadotte was considered a Holstein

Yes thats true, but somehow different, cause he was just legitimated as king through the adoption i think. Charles XIII was a member of the the house Holstein-Gottorf, but Bernadotte didn't become a member of it. With him the new House of Bernadotte was established. I am sure he was nobilitated by Napoleon before.

I'm not an expert but I doubt the old rules of the nobility would have legitimated something like that, but cause of the power of Napoleon there was nothing to put against it.

Fantastic, thank you!

On 30/07/2014 at 20:16, Glenn J said:

Here is General der Infanterie Alexander v. Kluck in the uniform of Grenadier-Regiment König Friedrich Wilhelm I. (2. Ostpreußisches) Nr. 3, appointed à la suite on 10 September 1910.

 

Regards

Glenn

Does anyone have more images of this beautiful uniform?

He isn't a member of the nobility - you can't become a nobleman through adoption.

It is not "awarded" (awarded is somehow wrong for Orders of chivalry as you get included as memeber of the chivalric community with the decoration as insignia, this led to some controversy when they included double award bars in WWI for example at the Austrian Leopold order as you can't become member of the symbolic community two times) by the austrian state as official decoration, but from the Habsburgs as dynastic Order. In 1953 this was accepted officially by the austrian government. The members are only men of the aristocracy. Current grandmaster is the head of the Habsburg family "Archduke" Karl.

The third one is Miklos Horthy and the last one is Otto Habsburg (the last Crown prince - he died in 2011)

By the way the Austrian golden fleece is still existing today

extremly nice, thank you for sharing