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On 24/11/2008 at 10:35, Claudio said:

Hi everybody!

 

The Ebay seller found Godet's original invoice and kindly sent it to me... incredible! Now also this bar has a name (Rud. Wendt)!!!

 

As you can see, the bar has been put together by Godet in the summer of 1930, still during the Weimar Republic period. Mr. Wendt provided Godet with all the medals and ribbons and Godet just had to made this very interesting bar.

 

Finally it all comes together...

 

Ciao,

 

Claudio

 

 

 

 

 

On 24/11/2008 at 21:03, Claudio said:

Thanks Rick for your kind words. Yes, such a documentation is rare... ask yourself a question: Did you ever keep an original invoice for more than 70 almost 80 years?

 

It would be interesting to know how much is the amount of that invoice translated in today's money... I got the feeling that already at that time, Godet was on the expensive side...

 

 

Ciao,

 

Claudio

Lets try to answer how much money it would be today. That is not very accurate but should answer if it was expensive or not.

In 1936    8 Mark were ~0,645 £ or 0 £ 12 s. 11 d. (12 shilling and 11 pence) which is today 43,05£ which is 47,03 € or 52,86 USD

So today we would approximately pay 50 €

Earlier version?

And another one?

Regarding the 1. grenadier regiment. Found these pictures of a Friedensrock

A detailed picture of the impression from the star would be helpful, if there is one

The grand cross is Los-Nr. 7450 for faster finding

Interesting is that the case seems to have been swapped with the piece in Freiburg from his Nachlass (when he was still living most likely). In my theory it seems like this cross should have been given to the museum or archive but was in wrong case

15 minutes ago, GdC26 said:

Not that I know - but a fair bit of it is shown in this book: https://www.militaria.at/Book.aspx?book=1596672&Language=de

Thanks! I own this one - it's fantastic, like all of the books of the Verlag Militaria. 
I think it's really time to make a high quality catalogue of all the objects at Huis Doorn!

The garter star (order of St. George) of King George V of Hannover auctioned in 2017. Does anybody remember for how much it was sold, cause like so often with these high end pieces the result is missing. 40 000€ was the starting price

It is so beautiful and perfectly made - i could look at these images for 1 hour straight.

Is there a catalogue  or other publication of all the pieces at Doorn? 

At Doorn:

Thanks for the answer.  I finally found a pdf copy of the book "Deutschlands Armee in Kriegs- und Friedens-Uniform" were the new ones are well described. The most impact definitely was on the cavalry units, who lost all their colourful splendor. I am wondering if, if they won the war or made peace without a revolution happening before, they really wouldn't have reintroduced some of the colourful ones, especially when You think of uniform lover Wilhelm. The grey ones are great for military everyday live, but they would have been weird on balls or other evening events.

I know that is a bit off-topic but is this a field grey Friedensuniform?

I need to buy more literature about those uniforms. What was the main difference to the old blue ones? Sure the color.
No more epaulettes but only shoulder boards? Not so many variations in cavalry uniforms? I have never actually seen a comprehensive description of the differences to the blue one.

Regarding the Mackensen piece, does anybody know if this has ever been on the market or might come directly from the family?

After inspecting the picture again there seem to be also two pairs of loops!

Neither mine, unfortunately... I hope it's coming into good hands

Thanks for the info!

13 hours ago, saschaw said:

Ah, I see - hard enough to find I suppose, and everything else is almost beyond possible: Künker announces to have v. Mackensen's real one, among others of his award and many family pieces, in their upcoming autumn auction. Exciting!

Oh no! Another group split to happen most likely.

Do You know anything about this one I saw at the Thies Vorschau

I am no expert in Bavarian orders, but if the medal was considered part of the St. Georgs-Order, and no other higher insignia was worn on the bar it makes sense that it is on the first place, although a Max Joseph knight is much more prestigious.

I don't know how the precedence in Bavarian orders exactly worked, but in Austria for example a Franz Joseph Order Commander- cross ranged above the Iron Crown iii class although the Order of the Iron Crown ranged above the Franz Joseph Order. So they could have also just ranged the for example Max Joseph knight above this jubilee medal, but these are just my thoughts

22 minutes ago, GdC26 said:

Nope, any stars of the main Austrian orders would be worn on the right hand side, just like the stars and pinback crosses of most German states.

 

Not all, the star of the "Komturkreuz mit Stern" of the Franz-Joseph-Order was worn on the right side (or if You look at the person left side) and he apparently got the insignia according to the Militärhandbuch.
But I am not sure if a star was mounted that low?

It's amazingly beautiful. It is already a great honor to handle such great pieces. It must have been extremely hard to give it away... Great post!

Thanks, now those words seem obvious...

OK it should be I think: Wir befanden uns am Roten Turmpaß oft in den schwierigsten Lagen

Here is what I could read:

As You can see I didn't get some of the words, maybe there are some other mistakes too, I hope someone can check it

Er besaß eine feine Art, den Leuten über schwere innere Kämpfe, über manch trübe Stimmungen ...

hinweg zu helfen. Er wußte immer as richtige Wort zu finden; ich weiß wie dankbar ihm das viele nachempfunden haben. Kam das Bataillion aus Stellung, war K. Hoheit in väterlicher Weise um das Wohl jeder einzelnen Kompagnie besorgt. Gerade durch sein (...???...) Eintreten hat K. Hoheit viel erreicht und manche neue Einrichtung wurde geschaffen, welche die Truppe direkt der Anregung S.K.H. verdanken muß. Das wußte jeder Mann und war stolz, dem Prinzen-Bataillon anzugehören. Das Handeln eines jeden einzelnen wurde dadurch günstig(?) beeinflußt, ein jeder gab sein Bestes; wir waren stolz auf unseren Führer und wollten bei jeder Gelegenheit zeigen, daß wir des hohen Vertrauens unseres prinzlichen Kommandeurs würdig seien. Neben der Sorge um Das leibliche Wohl seiner Untergebenen vergaß K.H. nie während jeder Ruhezeit sich für das seelische Wohl seiner Soldaten zu kümmern. Regelmäßg fanden Feldgottesdienste statt, denen K.Hoheit stets persönlich beiwohnte. Ich muß hier erwähnen, das wir Soldaten oft sehr erbaut waren über die tiefe Frömmigkeit des Prinzen. Ich erinnere mich danach lebhaft an ein erhebendes Bild. Es war an Weihnachten 1915. Bei der Feldmesse in (...Pokuvac??...maybe Pukuvac in Serbia???...) stand K.H. vor dem Bataillon im Kreise der Offiziere. Als der Moment hl. Wandlung nahte, da kniete er in dieser Ehrfürchtig nieder zur Anbetung des Allerhöchsten. Wir waren ergriffen, wie da der Königssprosse sich so demütig (...???...) vor seinem Gott. das war ein (...???...) Krippenbild? und ich mußte an die Anbetung der hl. drei Könige denken. Er war des Prinzen letztes Weihnachten.
(...???...) wirkte ferner die Ruhe und Gelassenheit, mit welcher der Prinz all die Strapazen des serbischen Feldzuges ertrug. In dem Beispiel, das er uns dadurch gab, lag für uns etwas Suggestives. Die Unterkunftsverhältnisse waren die denkbar schlechtesten;
aber nie kam eine Klage aus dem Munde des Prinzen. Er trug neben der Last der Verantwortung (noch in vielen Füllen???) die Mühen und Leiden des einfachen Mannes. Persönlich tapfer, oft fast zu kühn, kannte Prinz "Immer voran(?)" keine Gefahr. All die Strapazen des Soldatenlebens  (...???...), so(?) stand der Prinz vor und als (...???...) Soldat und Edelmann und konnte von uns das letzte fordern. Ich dürfe gestehen: Wir befanden uns um (...???...) oft in den Schwierigsten Lagen. Vorn(??) und hinten und selbst in der Flanke waren Feinde eingedrungen. Doch unser Prinz verlor nie die

38 minutes ago, ixhs said:

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one of my favourite bars for non combatants:

A high decorated jewish guy with 3 (!) non combatant awards:

http://objekte.jmberlin.de/object/jmb-obj-516608;jsessionid=EA323D9B0A00F077B7E32D9F9A2AFB77

You're right, that's an amazing bar

I would love to see pictures of some of the bars mentioned above

Fantastic pictures, You made my day, thanks!

Very interesting display, i hope they have the sashs and cases somewhere...

Some more Wilhelm II pictures:

with his adjutants