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    Utgardloki

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    1. Is it possible that this was the uniform King Wilhelm II of Württemberg himself?

      I think I can see a field marshall batton on the shoulder-boards (he was made a field marshall in 1916)

      Were there others who updated their "gestickter Waffenrock" after 1910 (where it was abolished if I remember correctly)?

       

       

       

       

       

      Wilhelm_II._von_W%C3%BCrttemberg_%281892_RB25-21%29.jpg

      At Laurentius: never seen that one before, looks like a Kronen-Orden backside medaillon... ;)

    2. I was just scrolling through the pictures of the Wehrgeschichtliches Museum Rastatt, you can find on Google maps and saw this interesting bar

      (I hope I am not violating any copyrights through pasting it here)

      image.thumb.png.d1c7179476c5c613207a9089822e5fc2.png

      Are there two iron crosses on it?(there must be something wrong)

      Maybe someone was at the museum and knows to whom this uniform belonged

    3. On 13/05/2007 at 14:59, Alex K said:

      Good question. In some private undisclosed collection I bet !

       

      Alex

      If I remember correctly his batton (and Interimsstab???) is in the Wehrgeschichtliches Museum Rastatt, would be interesting if someone knows where the rest is...

       

       

      Mackensen in Hungary:

      https://youtu.be/6aVoTtTBuBA

       

       

      Don't know if this was at the same time as the video:

      Ãhnliches Foto

    4. That was interesting, thanks

      I just looked it up in one of my books

      For Wilhelm II. it took until shortly before his promotion to an austrian field maeshal in 1900 to be made a Feldmarschall. In 1900 he lay on field marshalls insignia by wish of his GFMs ("auf die von den General-Feldmarschällen namens der Armee ausgesprochene Bitte die Feldmarschallabzeichen angelegt") It was seen reasonable for the Chef der preußischen Armee und Obersten Kriegherrn des dt. Reiches. The inscription on his batton says: "AUF WUNSCH MEINES HEERES" and "WILHELM II KÖNIG VON PREUSSEN 3. Mai 1900"

    5. Would be nice if there is an expert on the order of the holy spirit.

      I know that there were 8 Ecclesiastic members the Commandeurs (Commanders), where these the only priest allowed in?

      It seems like the whole thing of wearing commander-insignia around the neck origins from this special form of wearing sashs???

      Does anyone know anything that confirms these theory?

    6. Charles-Antoine de la Roche-Aymon:

      800px-WP_Charles-Antoine_de_la_Roche-Aymon.jpg

       

      Gravure de Pierre Drevet d'après Hyacinthe Rigaud:

      Image illustrative de lâarticle René François de Beauvau du Rivau

       

      Rivau lived from 1664-1739, the Order of St.Stephen was founded 1764, so I came up with the theory this was a french thing, adapted to the Austrian Orders when founded, Does anyone know if the "sash style waering" in generall was first done by the french (thinking of the Holy Spirit Cordon bleu)

    7. At the Ordre du Saint-Esprit (Order of the Holy Spirit - highest royal french order) this "sash"-style existed too:

      Anne-Antoine-Jules de Clermont-Tonnerre - Cardinal-Archishop of Toulouse:

      Kardinal_Anne-Antoine-Jules_de_Clermont-Tonnerre_2.jpg

      Source:Wikipedia

      Étienne Charles de Loménie de Brienne:

      %C3%89tienne_Charles_de_Lom%C3%A9nie_de_Brienne_-_Versailles_MV_3001.png

       

    8. 16 hours ago, Great Dane said:

      Great photos!

      I know that in the 1808 statutes for the Danish Order of Dannebrog (when it was made into a multi-class order) it is specified that persons already awarded the Order of the Elephant (the other Danish order) or clergy is to wear the Grand Cross insignia around the neck.

      However, paintings and (later) photos suggest that it was worn from a ribbon similar to the Commanders, i.e. not sash width. In 1912 the insignia for the Grand Cross was made identical to the Commander, so the only way to tell if a priest was a Grand Cross or a Commander was by the breast star.

      Thats interesting, the Order of the Black Eagle (Prussia) had a similiar regulation, were you get the Red Eagle Order grandcross to be worn around the neck, but  if there was a regulation for the clergy i don't know.

      4 hours ago, Christian1962 said:

      I can confirm that it´s official use but I cannot say when this startet. But I would assume it was before 1918. 

      And I can attach a pic (sorry for the poor quality, but my mobile phone has a bad camera) of a complete sash from the 1930ties.

      Regards

      Christian

       

      Großkreuzschärpe.jpg

      Thats a nice piece, I would love to own

      As you can see from the pictures above, it was a normal thing during the imperial times, they just transfered the tradition into the republic.

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