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Yes, now that you said it, the ribbon also fits for the Mecklenburg MVK
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I was just scrolling through the pictures of the Wehrgeschichtliches Museum Rastatt, you can find on Google maps and saw this interesting bar
(I hope I am not violating any copyrights through pasting it here)
Are there two iron crosses on it?(there must be something wrong)
Maybe someone was at the museum and knows to whom this uniform belonged
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On 13/05/2007 at 14:59, Alex K said:
Good question. In some private undisclosed collection I bet !
Alex
If I remember correctly his batton (and Interimsstab???) is in the Wehrgeschichtliches Museum Rastatt, would be interesting if someone knows where the rest is...
Mackensen in Hungary:
Don't know if this was at the same time as the video:
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Does anyone know where these were used?:
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Did the commander of the guard corps always wear such cuirassier type collars?
I am still learning lots of things, the variaties in german army insignia is magnificent.
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Well you're right
In Austria it was more stict, there was no promotion from 1867 (Edmund zu Schwarzenberg) till 1914 (Erzherzog Friedrich) except two "political" ones (1900 Wilhelm II, 1904 Eduard VII,), the Kaiser always wore field marshal insignia i think
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I think the main issue is that the GFM was reserved for winning a battle ord even campaign or taking over a fortress or similiar, so giving the rank (maybe "title" would be more accurate) to someone who did nothing of that would lower its dignity somehow...
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That was interesting, thanks
I just looked it up in one of my books
For Wilhelm II. it took until shortly before his promotion to an austrian field maeshal in 1900 to be made a Feldmarschall. In 1900 he lay on field marshalls insignia by wish of his GFMs ("auf die von den General-Feldmarschällen namens der Armee ausgesprochene Bitte die Feldmarschallabzeichen angelegt") It was seen reasonable for the Chef der preußischen Armee und Obersten Kriegherrn des dt. Reiches. The inscription on his batton says: "AUF WUNSCH MEINES HEERES" and "WILHELM II KÖNIG VON PREUSSEN 3. Mai 1900"
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Yes but I think it took until about 1900??? till he did wear the field marschall insignia, the date should be engraved in his batton which is in Doorn I think
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Those are his epaulettes in the Burg Hohenzollern (from the thread, picture from Claudio):
If I remember correctly Wilhelm the Second was promoted as prussian Feldmarschall after he was made an austrian one by the wish of his army...
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Did they get a Feldmarschallstab (field marshal batton)? or were these reserved only for real Feldmarschälle
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Wasn't Kusmanek himself born in Hermannstadt?
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One of the postcards:
Source: Google Bilder
To bring back some balance, a captured french flag:
Source: Bavarian Armeemuseum thread
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In prussian hussars uniform:
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in Spain:
Luis María de Borbón y Vallabriga:
Cirilo de Alameda y Brea:
Victoriano Guisasola y Menéndez:
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Would be nice if there is an expert on the order of the holy spirit.
I know that there were 8 Ecclesiastic members the Commandeurs (Commanders), where these the only priest allowed in?
It seems like the whole thing of wearing commander-insignia around the neck origins from this special form of wearing sashs???
Does anyone know anything that confirms these theory?
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Charles-Antoine de la Roche-Aymon:
Gravure de Pierre Drevet d'après Hyacinthe Rigaud:
Rivau lived from 1664-1739, the Order of St.Stephen was founded 1764, so I came up with the theory this was a french thing, adapted to the Austrian Orders when founded, Does anyone know if the "sash style waering" in generall was first done by the french (thinking of the Holy Spirit Cordon bleu)
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At the Ordre du Saint-Esprit (Order of the Holy Spirit - highest royal french order) this "sash"-style existed too:
Anne-Antoine-Jules de Clermont-Tonnerre - Cardinal-Archishop of Toulouse:
Source:Wikipedia
Étienne Charles de Loménie de Brienne:
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Has anyone more pictures of Kaiser Karl wearing foreign uniforms...
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Nice pickup! The Orden vom Heiligen Michael is one of my favorits.
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Prince Cesarevitch Guedroitz, Chamberlain of the Court of Imperial Russia 1873-1941 Museum of the Legion of Honor, Hotel de Salm:
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Thats a picture of a procession in Florenz:
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16 hours ago, Great Dane said:
Great photos!
I know that in the 1808 statutes for the Danish Order of Dannebrog (when it was made into a multi-class order) it is specified that persons already awarded the Order of the Elephant (the other Danish order) or clergy is to wear the Grand Cross insignia around the neck.
However, paintings and (later) photos suggest that it was worn from a ribbon similar to the Commanders, i.e. not sash width. In 1912 the insignia for the Grand Cross was made identical to the Commander, so the only way to tell if a priest was a Grand Cross or a Commander was by the breast star.
Thats interesting, the Order of the Black Eagle (Prussia) had a similiar regulation, were you get the Red Eagle Order grandcross to be worn around the neck, but if there was a regulation for the clergy i don't know.
4 hours ago, Christian1962 said:Thats a nice piece, I would love to own
As you can see from the pictures above, it was a normal thing during the imperial times, they just transfered the tradition into the republic.
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Weird bar.
in Germany: Imperial: The Orders, Decorations and Medals of The Imperial German States
Posted · Edited by Utgardloki
Is it possible that this was the uniform King Wilhelm II of Württemberg himself?
I think I can see a field marshall batton on the shoulder-boards (he was made a field marshall in 1916)
Were there others who updated their "gestickter Waffenrock" after 1910 (where it was abolished if I remember correctly)?
At Laurentius: never seen that one before, looks like a Kronen-Orden backside medaillon...