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41 minutes ago, augustin1813 said:

Hello Blackcowboy, thanks for your feedback.

Referring to J. Nimmergut: "Deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen bis 1945. I.", the horse is an integral part of the medal and does not seam to be soldered. Perhaps a private manufacture? Would you have a photo of such an item?

Well one should never believe everything in the Nimmergut books, the honor crosses for 1809 for NCOs have the horses like your cross, the real crosses for the officers have a soldered horse on it. I guess you can see it pretty good on this photo! 

This one is pretty rare! 

1 hour ago, VtwinVince said:

Details don't look good, do they? And unfortunately Barry has sold numerous Imperial fakes over the years.

well the details do look better than at the other cross shown here and being identified as a fake from the Schrägstrich-Faker, but still with my knowledge from today I would have send it back to Barry, if aquired today. But one year later, I guess this option is not an option anymore, but next time I will examine every order or medal bought at emedals very precisly.  

Sorry to say that, but I don't think, that this one is a good one. The original crosses for the officiers had a soldered horse on the cross.

so you won the auction at spinks against me! I wasn't able to participate the online life bidding, if I would have been, you would have had a tough fight on it. But congratulations! 

nice one, this is variation 2 of the waterloo medal.

Well, if you are really interested in the date of the foundation - and it wasn't 1827 - you'll find in this book. No other author in the past managed to find the correct date of the foundation, since this book hit the market.

PS: here you can have a short glance into the book. 

7 hours ago, 922F said:

See ebay 184951476299 and associated.  Ernst is so cheap because it lacks reverse [ACCORDING TO VENDOR] motto ring, allowing visions of epoxy!   

Thanks for this thread! The Ernst August Order is one of the Hannoverians, who is faked pretty much. Compared to the Guelphs he is easy to be copied I think I can see attributes of a cast in this one shhown above.

I am suspicious about this one as well I aquired it from E-medals last year and was never relly happy with it, The details look better, but still some suspicious blowholes like expected from a cast. What do you think about this EA Order?

One has to take into consideration, that this order was awarded even after the downfall of the kingdom of Hannover and was produced in vienna until 1900?

Hey Simius,

I think that most of the active members from the SDA-Forum, who are capable of reading and writing english are registered here too. As with all forums 80 % or more are pure read only members, so I can't say if they read here as well or not.

From time to time I do some kind of reposting here and in the SDA-Forum with links to the original threads to at least give these members who are just in one of these forums  some usefull information. I do translate the original thread for the audience in the other one.

But some of us here are also in the german speaking forum. So people ought to know the other forum. 

I am 100 % with you, that one should be in both, as one can gain good insights here and there. 

lovely combo!

In the SDA-Forum you find a similiar discussion about this medal bar. The great majority of the users of this forum think that this bar ia also the work of the Schrägstich-Faker Medal bar presented in the SDA Forum 

PS: the whole thread could be found here.

Feodor Grohe reciever his 4th class of HdL on 12th of September 1909.

well the word "allezeit" seems wrong to me, I am not 100 % sure, if the spelling has changed in the last 100 years but todays correct spelling would be "allzeit" So I would also say, this is pure fantasy and a modern piece. 

Thx Laurentius for your explanation, wasn't aware of him either.

2 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

I don't know， that Europeans and blacks look similar in my eyes. . It is said that you see Asians the same way?

yes, to European eyes nearly all asians do look the same, well at leat at fist sight. If you meet many then you get used to see the difference in their faces too. It is a common thing

2 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

In my humble opinion, I think he is most likely wearing a "grand officer "

Great photo! Thx for sharing.

wow, I love that video, even if I don't understand a single word! 

By the way, the tex below that video reads as:

The Habsburg Hall of the Royal Castle in Buda was the scene of a glittering military ceremony, where Governor Miklós Horthy of Nagybánya, after more than two and a half decades, invested a new Knight of the Order of Maria Theresa, Major General Kornél Oszlányi. [Miklós Horthy:] "This is the first time that I have had the opportunity to present this highest decoration of military virtue to Major General Kornél Oszlányi, based on the unanimous opinion of the first Hungarian Chapter. Major General Oszlányi, as the commander of the light division, has set a shining example of heroic conduct, valour, wise prudence and leadership under the most difficult conditions. Therefore, I hereby make him a member of the Order and decorate him with its badge with the traditional prescribed words: 'He receives from my hand the badge of the Order of Maria Theresa. This is a testimony to his deeds and his admission to this Order, which is dedicated to his valour and wise discretion alone. May it be worn to the glory of God and may it stimulate the defence of the Fatherland."

steht eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor ...

I can't see the Grandcross of Brunswick in your list, which Eitel Friedrich became 1913, reason was the betrothal of Victoria Luise with Ernst August. 

All prussian princes got the grand cross of Brunswick because of that. (Adalbert, Oskar, Joachim and August Wilhelm in 1914)

I can show you the original Grandcross with swords from the Brunswick Order of Henry the Lion, which was handed out to Moltke. It was given back to the duchy of Brunswick after his death and kept in the Vaterländisches Museum.

I have started a similar thread in the German SDA forum, because I wanted to get their responce.

And the answers are:

• If short sashes  are worn with additional grand crosses, like to be seen with Wilhelm I., Zar Ferdiand, Duke Albrecht from Austria it is due the fact, that they wore the russian grand crosses of the order of saint Vladimir or order of saint Georg. So our russian friends in this forum should be able to enlight us, if there is someting written in the statues of these russian orders about wearing them this way.
• If the grand cross is worn like this and it is the only worn grand cross like we see in the other photos above, then it is a kind of fashion statement. If this is influenced by the russian orders or even by Napoleon, who often could be seen with his grand croos just lurking from his jacket and there is just one short pice of the sash to be seen, is unclear yet.

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2 hours ago, laurentius said:

So, to summarize, the regents did not hand out any non-Brunswick decorations.

Yes that is right! 

 

Were there officials who did receive a Prussian or Mecklenburgian decoration from the Prussian king or the Mecklenburgian Grandduke for their role during the regency?

Absolutly! Many people recieved prussian awards and some do get awards from Mecklenburg. Of course there were also awards from saxony, bavaria, etc. It was very common to exchange orders or medals (depending on their social status) if dukes, princes or kings are visiting the duchy of Brunswick. People from the outside entourage did get orders from Brunswick and people from the Brunswick side got the orders / medals from the state of the visitor. Just see what the highest serveant of the prince regent got on medals. The photo is taken out of the Staats and Hofhandbuch from 1900

 

Members of Brunswick society would receive some decorations just like their German and non-German counterparts but are there known decorations for helping under the regency or for helping Ernst August get started in 1913?

Yes  for example the highest minister of the duchy of Brunswick Minister of the State Hartwieg recieved the diamonds to the grand cross of the Henry the Lion for his role during the regency and his role in finding the solution to the prussian / guelphic conciliation. 

Or to give you an example on how this worked, lets have a look on the baptism of the prince Ernst August in 1914. Many orders were exchanged between the entourages of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Brunswick:

 

• 64 prussian awards
• 88 mecklenburgian awards
• 123 awards frum Brunswick

more information on this and other topics could be found in my book:

Book 1

 

Kind regards and thanks in advance, Laurentius

I hope you find my answers helpfull

I suppose that he often bids / sells to himself to get higher prices in the end. And too many people trust in the 100 % positive Feedback. 

I have fully stopped any buying on ebay, more than 50 % of every order or medal offered there is a fake.

wow I am deeply impressed, never saw this before. So Thank you all for these wonderfull information and the photos! 

well it looks like the war merit cross 1st class from Brunswick, but I can't spot the 2nd class on his medal bar. If he doesn't have the 2nd class he fore sure wouldn't got the 1st.