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I am also interested in pre-WW2 Palestine Some DCM citations might be obtainable from the regiment of the recipient if it survives

As I have quite a few duplicate S African Police and Railway Police ( and also Prisons Service ) Medals for disposal , I would be interested to hear if this proposal leads to anything

I was not requesting anyone's guestimate I was requesting firm evidence of known to survive medals Such can be found in published catalogues of collections and also dealers' lists and auction sale catalogues

Thank you to Egorka and Cazack for your responses and the information provided The information that I have obtained via a paid researcher is that Order of Gory III # 115895 was awarded to EREMIN , Fedor Semenovitch The same researcher has advised that there is no information available for ORB 136619 and OPW1 294533

You have the correct no Egorka I can copy the award card to you and anyone else interested if given an email address to which to send. I do not have the know how to post it online

Thank you to dmiller8 for the detailed information that you have posted about the Somers medal I am still interested in knowing how many are known to survive . The medals were named ( at least to the British recipients )

THANK YOU CHECHACO1 FOR THE REFERENCE

Thank you Red October I do not have the know how to post the record card onto this site I have it in an email with attachment from a researcher and can forward it to you ( and also anyone else interested ) if provided with an email address to which to send it

I have this recipient's ( born 1902 ) Order of the Red Banner ( for long service ; awarded 15-1-45 ) and a copy of his Award Record Card and have been advised that a citation will probably be unfindable due to the NKVD affiliation I am interested in obtaining more information about him but am limited by not being able to read Russian and not being acquainted with Russian information resources A google search brought up a reference to a publication by three authors ( MOSIAKIN, I , ALESHIN , AN and KABANOV VV )in the 1990s relating to the 1937-8 period but the publication date seems rather late for a person born in 1902 to have been one of the authors Can anyone kindly assist with any additional information and/ or references ?

The Order of the Red Banner #201253 has turned out to have been awarded to ALESHIN, Andrei Nikolaevitch , a Major in the NKVD , on 15-1-1945 Apparently a long service award

Thank you Jeff for the further information and picture Would you ( or anyone else ) know the award criteria , period of issue , whether still awarded / issued ?

Thank you for the information Bill

Re SHS Medal to Henry Evans ( mentioned above ) Apparently this did have CMR in naming on an early auction appearance However as per advice received on BMF, he is not on the SA 1853 Medal Roll not are service papers for him findable My feeling is that all SHS Medals to English sounding names that do not appear on the SA 1853 Medal Roll for the CMR should be name checked against any surviving muster lists etc for the CMR for the 185o-2 period that might be findable

Thank you for this information re the ORBL Chechaco1

Thanks for responding 1812. One can but live in hope that the information will turn up eventually

Thank you for the information chechaco1

is it possible to identify recipients of Soviet orders from their serial numbers from any easily accessible resources that do not involve going into Archives? I do not speak or read Russian which cuts out my accessing resources in the Russian language . I am interested in identifying the recipients of the following : Order of the Red Banner : # 136619 " " " " " : #201253 " " " " " of Labour : #293473 " " " Patriotic war 1st Class : 294533 " " Glory 3rd Class : # 115895 Honoured Railroad Empleyee: # 114962 Can any member possibly assist please

In reply to Chechaco1: yes .However , the specimen you illustrate seems to lack the suspension

Difficult to exactly make out but there could be a flourish above the final " G" in the naming of the Keiberg Medal similar to that above the first " G" in the naming of the Roots medal ( both illustrated above ) Any opinions on this from those with better eyesight than mine. Any similarities in naming between any of the known named medals would indicate that some of the medals went to the same engraver ( possibly at different times as awards were made sporadically )

Unfortunately I do not speak Russian so am unable to access sources in this language Regarding the early Certificates of Award for the ORB of the RSFSR: The two different types that I have are different to that illustrated by Japan X. Is it known exactly how many different types there were ? As surviving certificates are apparently scarcer than surviving badges and the total number of certificates was split over a number of different types , I would imagine that some particular types could be quite rare

Thank you Rusty for the additional extensive information posted Why I am endeavouring to obtain illustrations and other new info is to test the validity of previous information and assumptions about this medal A few notes : (1) H .Ferara Medal illustrated in a history of Genadendal by Balie (2) Henry Evans medal: neither Mitchell or Everson in their articles mention the " CMR " which is in the naming of the specimen auctioned by DNW The medal was previously auctioned by Debenhams in 1898 and Glendinnings in 1933 (3) Dunning RE : apparently a die cracked specimen .Probably self awarded . Re Museum did not respond to request for photo due to lockdown (4) Skead RN : if medal exists (? Museum Africa have not responded to request for confirmation ; and possibly confusion with his RHS Medal ) almost certainly spuriously named and not entitled (5) I suspect that any supposed recipients outside of CMR and local levies were not entitled (6) Lister Green did serve with CMR but I am slightly surprised to see an officer recipient I put a query on BMF as to whether any extant service record of his might record the SHS Medal but nothing came up (7) As far as I am aware Mitchell Die numbers are arbitrary and do not denote any known priority of strikings ( eg between reverse dies 1 and 3 ) (8) Dies used for Mouatt medal raise queries about this medal in my eyes (9) One would need to have seen naming on all known surviving specimens before coming to any definite conclusions about whether issued unnamed or not (10) I regard it as being of relevance to note details of suspensions and variations thereof (11)It would be nice if persons in medal collecting who have information and surviving specimens would contrbute to this investigation and exposition

Thank you Rusty for all of this extensive information. You are doing the subject proud

Thank you for the information and answers Japan X

Thank you for the clarification pat66 It would seem that this is a fairly scarce medal

Thank you for posting the picture Jef. It is the medal I mentioned