LuckySlevin

Dear Waldo, Thank you for your answer. Actually my question is directly related to one of your previous answers. If you see a gold-plated 4th class MVO (not speaking about medallions) does this mean that this a consequence of a falsification to pretend it is a 3th class? Or there are other reasons which could lead to having 4th class gold-plated MVO. Thank you

Thank you for your reply. I understand the passage from gold to gold-plated during the war. What I was wondering is the following: If you see a gold-platted MVO with no separate flames like the ones which were posted before, then this MVO is not a 3rd class. Then the question is, what motivated/what was the reason to apply gold to a 4th class, which does not require gold(except for medallions ) and especially when the gold was scarce?

Hi all, Very informative and interesting thread. I wanted to ask a question concerning the gold-platted 4 class MVOs with gold center medallions. Is there a specific reason that some of the 4 class MVOs are gold-plated while most are not (both having gold center medallions) ?

Greetings ! I am a very junior collector of German states orders, I will be very grateful if you could give some information about the Saxe Altenburg swords. I saw on the web that the orders can have 2 types of swords: "Roman" and "French", I join 2 pictures: I would be very grateful if you can mention the reason of different swords like different manufactures/ periods. Thank you a lot.

Hi, I would be very grateful to know your opinions on this order which is currently on ebay: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Roter-Adler-Orden-4-Klasse-mit-Krone-u-Schwertern/353350257932?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 I have no experience on judging the authenticity of war awards so will be happy to know your point of view before trying to bid. Also the design of the eagle looks different from the typical ones I find on internet. Thank you.

Wow, what a nice bar and interesting story!

Thank you a lot for your replies! Really nice forum and professional people! And yes the question concerned the order from ebay.

Hi, Could you please tell me if there is a possibility of a combination of the Order of the Crown with No Swords 4th Class with a War Ribbon, ie the ribbon with large black in the center. Thank you

I did some research on the web and will be very happy to know you opinion about the below: In terms of the crowns, I found a very interesting discussion on the ak-group.ru forum about different crowns found on the 1st type. I found an order but of second type which has exactly my type of crown and even all the manufacturing style is the same on emedals: https://www.emedals.com/europe/romania-kingdom/orders/order-of-michael-the-brave/a-romanian-order-of-michael-the-brave-knight-s-cross-with-case However the reverse of the order does not look correct: So not sure, may be they were doing some fakes as this one does not have the right reverse. I also found 2 orders with same design of crown and suspension on galerie numismatique: 3rd class: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11040790_124-order-michael-the-brave-1916 2nd class: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11040789_123-order-michael-the-brave-1916 Finally just wanted to post 2 orders of 1st and 2nd model with same crowns: here is an order from 2nd type on emedals: https://www.emedals.com/europe/romania-kingdom/orders/order-of-michael-the-brave/a-romanian-order-of-michael-the-brave-1941-1944-3d-class Below it is its crown and also 1 crown from 1st model: his: crown from 1st model: I also found an order with very big crown and suspension: The crown is different but it has also this suspended style. What do you think of all of this and do you think that the order I found on galerie numismatique of same design is a fake or not given that I saw on this forum that galerie numismatique does not have a very clear reputation. Also do you think that my remark about having same type of crown on both models is plausible. Thank you!

Unfortunately there is no hallmark.

Hi Igor, thanks a lot for your reply, yes actually it is from spink. I also thought it is not of Romanian production as those are generally not made from silver. French ones are generally made of silver but the designs I found online were different to this one.

Hi the GMIC community, I recently bought an order of Michael the Brave, type 1, 3rd Class in silver and would be very very grateful if you could share your opinion. 1) Do you think it is an authentic order or it is a fake? 2) Do you have any clues whether in terms of the manufacturer or at least the country it was produced in? Also posting the fixing, which is quite different from the models I find on the internet: