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    922F

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    1. How does Roberts' receipt of a retirement Legion of Merit to correlate with regulatory description of insignia available to U.S. military personnel?  Have the regulations changed?   

      After reviewing all 5 images of Roberts' retirement ceremony that Dave provided above, it certainly seems that Maj. Gen. Kenneth S. Dowd actually pinned a Chief Commander insignia on Roberts!  Especially note image 4 at [https://www.dvidshub.net/image/585362/medal-honor-recipient-retires-after-44-years-service] with Dowd standing beside Roberts after the ceremony.   If accurate, were did the insignia come from and who authorized it?   

       

       

    2. Possibly these groups were assembled before institution of Hindenberg Cross in 1934.   

      Yes, Ferdinand abdicated in October 1918.   Unclear exactly when issuance of medals with Boris' portrait began.    Perhaps these are 'late awards' or what came to hand.

      If the first group Bulgarian Order of Merit is gold [silver-gilt] rather than bronze, the group makes little sense.  This opinion due to gold Order of Merit's extremely limited distribution.  It might be swapped out for a Military Merit Order 5th class, with or without crown.  Seems to be an impression resembling a suspension crown above the Order ring on the ribbon.  If Order of Merit is bronze, pair not as unusual, but still uncommon. 

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      I question Roberts' wear of Chief Commander grade insignia because, according to regulations,  U.S. personnel may be granted only insignia equivalent to Legionnaire badges without any reference to award degree.  See:  https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2008-title32-vol3/xml/CFR-2008-title32-vol3-sec578-13.xml

       

      A few awards of Officer rank were made to U.S. officers in error early in the North African campaign but none following that "administrative error".    The perhaps 60 U.S. officers so decorated were allowed to keep the decoration. 

    4. MOH minis, of varying quality, seem to be private purchase.   At least Gemsco and BB&B [Gemsco marks on  pinback plate, BB&B on the medal reverse] and unmarked minis exist.    

      MOH ribbon should be placed to right of [of wearer's] other award ribbons with exception of above all others if no row of 3.

      Why does Roberts [image 2 above] wear Chief Commander degree, Legion of Merit?  

    5. Certainly U.S. military personnel may be decorated by foreign governments including the UK & SA.  Any number of U.S. military personnel received [honorary] UK awards over the years; a very few got them from SA.   Specific regulations govern acceptance procedures.

      For official military related regulations see:  https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/134833p.pdf?ver=2019-06-20-104911-377   Section 10.

      wiki has   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_foreign_decorations_of_the_United_States_military   This list appears to be incomplete.

       

       5 U.S. Code § 7342 available at  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/7342 governs foreign awards to U.S. Federal government civilian employees.  The UK decorated a number of U.S. Federal civil servants over the years as well, usually honorary appointments to diplomatic/consular personnel.  I am aware of just a handful of SA awards to U.S.  Federal employees, including Ambassador Edward Perkins who also received a Namibia award.

      Foreign awards to U.S. citizens not in Federal Service appear to have no restrictions except for the Constitutional ban on accepting a title of nobility.

    6. This cross usually identified as the ORDER OF HONOR & MERIT OF THE NATIONAL {CUBAN}  RED CROSS.   Based on suspension wreath & center medallions, this one looks to be French made--with variant [incorrect] inscription.  These exist with the date 1909 in the obverse motto ring & other subtle die differences as well, especially in renditions of the Cuban arms.  Firms from Vienna to Paris, Brussels to Lisbon, Madrid to Havana, and Berlin to Rome manufactured this award--not surprizingly many design types exist.   Some include the badge superimposed on a gilt metal star!

    7. An ephemeral or self-styled group calling itself the Knightly Ecumenical Order of the Crown of Crete based in Italy used similar insignia as late as the early 1980's, and maybe beyond.   This organization split from the 'original' Order of the Crown of Crete [headquarters in Greece] perhaps in the late 1970's.   A late 1970's OMRS Journal piece & Gayre's Knightly Twilight describe the 'original' organization.  This item looks to be of Italian manufacture and of higher quality than Order of the Crown of Crete insignia.   

      A Belgian group used comparable style stars at about the same time -- no information on that one to hand.  I'll ask colleagues and post whatever develops. 

    8. Daniel's find bringing this topic back to life caused me to look at this thread for the first time.

      I wrote the 1976 "Medal Collector" article referenced above [Ulsterman's January 30, 2008 post].   I confirm that not only were facts scarce when I wrote the piece but that 'official Hungarian sources' actively ignored/discouraged my inquiries.  From the above discussions, it appears that I saw a cast base metal 'copy' medal; not a silver original.  The original material submitted for publication was edited a bit for the article; don't recall [other than dropping the Spanish colors stripe from the ribbon description] whether any salient facts got omitted.   Knowing that editor quite well, I doubt that he cut anything worth-while; he explained that 'the printer' inadvertently skipped part of the ribbon description.    

      Hundai's contribution certainly expands our understanding of this award and it's relative scarcity.  As Gordon noted, the more we study, learn and -- especially -- share, the better our collective [sic!] knowledge. 

    9. A fascinating thread!  Is the fiver aluminum?   Years ago someone reported that wound medals marked 1918 or '18 indicated post-war issue--cannot now locate that reference.   Could initials indicate manufacturers?

      Recently saw an 'extremely rare' aluminum one [twoer] offered at $250...which seems an extreme price to me.  Or is that now the going rate? 

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