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Hi, All

Agree with Matthijs and William. DPRK orders made in USSR are always collectible.

Tang Si

... except Flag Order 3rd class screwbacks. There seems to be endless suplly of them on eBay.

Dear Matt,

yes, as I pointed out, Bruno Kepnik started my collecting career .

You will find an English translation of Kepniks citation at the "other" Soviet forum of Mr. Artur Bates the 3rd one.

Please post the additional material - and the results of your future research - at thread dealing with the "Order of the Yugoslavian Flag" - many thanks .

Best regards

Christian

Matt,

Congratulations on excellent 2nd class set.

I was offered this set a year ago .

I am glad it found good home!

William

Hi William,

I think the interest is not (yet) great for DPRK stuff, but this order is definitely collectable. It is silver gilt, numbered, made in the Soviet Union, and great looking. Since supply outstrips demand at this point you can strike a great bargain for these pieces. And also, since the supply of perfect ones is quite big (comparatively speaking) most people would want that instead of a damaged/repaired piece. So I would think that damaged ones are significantly cheaper (as in my case).

I think a fair price for an undamaged one should be around $1,500 - $2,000, although many are listed for more (I've seen $3,000, even $4,000). Whether they would sell for that price, and not be negotiated down, I don't know.

The piece I have was professionally restored, and it is VERY hard to tell it's been repaired. For the rest it is in excellent condition for a 1950s piece.

I would not be surprised if the demand for these goes up quickly, and also, the DPRK orders not made in the Soviet Union will never be really collectable.

Matt.

Matt,

Well done, I think you did great - low price for a Mondvor piece where repairs are not noticeable at all.

I agree about Korean made pieces - the prices actually went down from few years ago. I remember about 5 yrs ago when I developed interest in N Korean awards - even 3rd classes would sell on eBay for decent money - about $20-30. Now there are tons of them in the market for lower price and very few buys.

What do you think about Chech made pieces? Their quality seems to be on par with Soviet made awards.

William

Ed,

Another great collection of items you have. Those old DPRK orders are actually quite something! I have quite a few of the new versions of orders, just because they were cheap and I wanted to see them in person. They're just OK. But I just got in this 1st type Order of Labor, and it is spectacular! It has enamel repair in several places, but it is exquisitely done and for this price it was a bargain. I can't wait to get another old-type DPRK order.

Matthijs, Great award!!!

How much would it cost today?

You mentioned the condition wasn't top, by how much are Korean awards discounted in presence of repairs/ damage?

William

Friends,

let's clarify something here before we get too excited.

Yes, it's true that Bulgarian Order of labor Glory was setup in such way that higher classes were given to folks who were previosly awarded lower classes.

However, I am not aware of any special Cavalier designation like one in Soviet Union, where the recepients of all three clases of Labor Glory were given Cavalier Booklet. In many years collecting Bulgarian awards I've never seen Bulgarian Cavalier documents. I also never read anythig about existence of such documents.

Best regards,

William

With Dec 2006 passing of Stolen Valor Act by congress and President - are we US collectors essentially prohibited from collecting US militaria and could face criminal prosecution?

Here's the link to OMSA web site explaning some aspects of new law:

http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1332

William

I have bought few times from Goran and few times off-eBay as well. You can ask him to look for something and he can sometimes help you. A very kind and honest person to deal with!

I've dealt with Goran as well, he's good guy.

W

case for 1st class and tube to store award document, awarded to Austrian diplomat.

and here's Yugoslavia Order of Yugoslav Flag 1st class

Issued during 1941 - 1990.

Order of the Yugoslav Flag 1st class in original case, with wearing ribbon bars, later emission.

Given to Yugoslav and foreign citizen in rank of minister and high representatives of states. Also awarded for exceptional civil merit.

Manufactured from silver, gilt and enamel, with few mintmarks on the back side of the star.

Only about 1400 were ever awarded.

William

Here's 2nd class set from my collection.

About 1300 awarded.

Award was given to American engineer.

The first entry on google for Yuri Yashnev gives this : http://www.netdialogue.com/yy/main.htm

Yes, that's the one.

Enamel is definitely of much better quality and construction has that special "old" feel to it.

But the award is made in Yugoslavia by IKOM.

William

Christian,

The awards I posted are 1st class and 2nd class (not 2nd & 3rd).

The gradation for Order of Yugoslavian Star goes like this:

1. Grand Star - breast star is huge, it contains 10 diamonds and 45 rubies. There's also a badge worn on the shoulder sach.

2. 1st class - on shoulder sach. Breast star is smaller, no diamonds and only has rubies on the small red star, shoulder sach is similar to the Grand.

3. 2nd class - on neck ribbon. Breast star is the same as 1st class. Neck badge is worn on a ribbon around the neck.

4. 3rd class - same as 2nd, but no breast star.

1st class I decided not to keep, as there's a mismatch between small red stars on the sach and on the breast star - one is made of enamels, another of rubies. I think they should be the same, so for the price I'd like to have 100% legitimate matching set.

William

PS - here's Grand Star (not mine :-) ) from Yuri Yashnev's site.

Christian,

diameters of the 2nd and 1st classes are the same, more rays create impression that 1st class is slightly larger.

William

1st class of YNA Order

Second class YNA Order

Note screwbacks on 1st type and various marks.

We are missing 1st class, so I decided to show few from my collection.

Here we have early type with unusual attachment device (2 screws) and last type.

William

These have been offered on eBay in the past...

Someone please upload pics from eBay before they disappear.

W

Bryan (Soviet) showed us one from e-bay this january: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...st&p=141705 .

It's the same award indeed.

I bought this rare beauty...cost me a small fortune though.

William

Details - rubies on the star

William

Grand Star worn on the neck with Breast Badge

Founded in 1952 with 320 awarded

From my collection

Grand Star worn over the shoulder

Founded in 1952 with 159 awarded

William

I have in my collection:

T1: Screwback - 3 rivets # 50, 704, 1871, 1876, 1974, 2244

2nd award # 12, 98, 224, 248

3rd award # 106, 110, 168

4th award # 86

I've noticed some of these serial numbers in my collection!

Collecting community is such a small field, this stuff just keeps changing hands...

William

Gentlemen!

I would have another question for you about the Order of national liberation offered by J?rg Kalies. His example of this very rare yu order has the serial number 359, but we already know that just less than 300 of them were awarded. How is this possible? Maybe is the answer simple this, that the Soviets have during the WW2 made much more orders than later were awarded?

P.S. Christian, vielen Dank for your congratulations.

That's often the case with all numbered awards - here are always some medals which were not awarded.

William