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Here's a photograph of the recepient with his family.

He's wearing some awards - would it be possible to identify some?

as addition the list og his austrian orders and decorations:

Golden Vleeche

Order of Leopold 1st Class (not GC) with Wardecoration and Swords

Order of the Iron Crown 1st Class (GC) with Wardecoration and Swords

Order of Leopold knights Cross with Wardecoration and Swords

Military merit Cross 3rd Class

Service Cross for Officers 3rd Class (25 years)

Signum Memorieae-medal

1908 Cross

Mobilisation-Cross 1912/13

haynau

Thank you!

Where did this info come from?

William

Hi, Dear Ed

William's Labor Honor is not purchased from me:)

Tang Si

That's correct, this time it will come from different person.

But I bought some very nice pieces from Tang Si in the past and always been happy to deal with him.

William

You are lucky to have separate room just for your collection!

Hi,

You can have another solution. You can frame your document yourself. I have a Free corps diploma which size is 35 cm x 47 cm. The only solution I have found is to realize a frame myself.

Regards

Christophe

Christophe,

your frames are nice, the only problem is the light which will do some serios damage to the documents!!!

Take a look at what happens to the documents held in the frames.

William

... and he wants GBP 295 for this????!!!

What are these militia boys so happy about?

Christian, thank you!

I already searched the web for info about him, I hope military archives will provide more interesting data.

William

Add to this the fact that, as I understand the law, veterans (or families of veterans) who sold their (or their ancestor's) medals have done so in violation of the law.

And, so, are we then accessories to criminal action? Receiving stolen goods after they pass through a "fence" or two does little to excuse the crime. Stolen goods are still stolen goods?

In part, this explains the fact that most Soviet awards that you could find in the late 1970s, had the serial numbers carefully obliterated. Done to disguise the implicit crime?

Previous threads like this have been closed down, though, so . . .

The fact that some of us bought Soviet awards does not simply mean they have criminal background.

There are many legal ways to obtain awards, ie if they were sold from other 14 former Soviet republics. if award is taken from say Georgia or Baltics - in no way this violates laws of Russian Federation.

BTW, the Hermitage trial is over. Husband of the museum lady has been convicted and will spend yeras in jail, as well as will be peying for monetary damage.

William

I started my Imperial Russian collection back in 1975 long before all the fakes were being produced. Collecting shoulder boards among Imperial Russian collectors was a dog item or bastard child at the time. No one wanted them. All the Imperial Russian collectors wanted the orders, badges and swords. Cloth was considered left to the moths. I considered shoulder boards to be as equally rare if not rarer. As a teenager in the 70's, I could not afford a gold Saint Vlad for $200.00, but for 5 or 10 bucks could obtain a shoulder board. So thus my collection got started. And... believe me when I say that original shoulder boards were not easily found back then either. Now that I have a fairly large collection of original pieces, it is very easy to spot all the fakes coming out of Russia. To me, collecting Imperial Russian Shoulder boards was very fascinating because it told more of a story : Rank, unit, City the person came from and where on the front that person fought if you did some research. Today, these boards are very well sought after and rarer then the badges and orders everyone pursued.

Excellent collection!

Do you also collect Russian Soviet period boards? There are some great examples from that era and they look similar to Imperial boards.

William

Order of Labor / Noryok Hunchang, first version 1951-ca.1970

Numbered 1893.

Cabral p. 21.

My Order of Labor is on the way!

I can't wait...

William

FROM http://worldroots.com/brigitte/famous/p/pe...riabio1874.html

Archduke Peter Ferdinand of Austria, Prince of Tuscany (1874-1948)

Born 12 May 1874 Salzburg

Died 8 November 1948 Sankt Gilgen

Married 8 November 1900 Cannes

Princess Maria Cristina of The Two Sicilies, daughter of

Prince Alfonso of The Two Sicilies, Count of Caserta and

Princess Maria Antonietta of The Two Sicilies

Born 10 April 1877 Cannes

Died 4 October 1947 Sankt Gilgen

A member of the Grand Ducal House of Tuscany, he was born and grew up in Salzburg. On 8 November 1900 in Cannes, he married Princess Maria Cristina of The Two Sicilies and they became the parents of four children. Having entered a military career, in 1914 he was appointed a Feldmarschallleutnant. However, in June 1914, he asked to be taken off his command and later General Auffenberg, in his memoirs, accused him of having made bad tactical decisions and therefor it had not been possible to surround "Einkesselung", the Russian 5th Army led by Komarow. Archduke Peter Ferdinand was a first cousin of Empress Zita and, in 1917, Emperor Karl made him a General of the Infantry and he went to the Tyrolian westfront. In 1918, after the fall of the Austrian monarchy, he moved with his family to Switzerland but went back to Austria under Schuschnigg, where the former Archduke received a very small honorary pension. On 8 November 1948, aged seventy-four, he died at Sankt Gilgen.

Source: Leo van de Pas

SEE ALSO: 49.Infanteriebrigade :Wien - II. Korps - 25. Infanterie Truppendivision Kommandeur: Generalmajor Erzherzog Peter Ferdinand

Photos and career data may be located in Austrian military archives

Thank you!

How do I request data from Austrian military archives?

William

Hello,

I got some 8.5" x 14" legal size folders that I use store my documents. The larger ones have been folded in two over the years so they also fit.

thanks,

barry

I like how you put the album together!!!

I am looking for any information and photographs on Archduke Peter Ferdinand from royal Habsburgh dynasty.

Born: 12 MAY 1874 Salzburg, AUSTRIA

Died: 8 NOV 1948 Sankt Gilgen, AUSTRIA

He was also a General in Austrian Army during WWI.

Thank you,

William

I guess yours is a 5th class with crown and swords, not a 4th class. The 4th class was golden and had a rosette on the ribbon. The yellowish colour on your badge might just be patina.

Here is a comparison between the 4th class and the 5th class of the Order of Saint Alexander

It looks like IV class with replaced ribbon to me. It's definitely goldplated.

William

Francois,

You collection is simply amazing, the best I've seen!

It's such a pity that you decided to focus your interest elsewhere.

William

I love your dagger's display!

William

Main reason I collect Yugoslavian awards - they arevery nicely made and are of top quality.

Their design is on par with Soviet and Mongolian stuff.

And they were priced reasonably until recently.

William

Balkan Antiques

Gentlemen,

I have found another dealer for YU-Militaria in the internet:

http://www.balkanantiques.com/rw/home

Does anyone know about "Balkan Antiques" ?

Best regards

Christian

This site appears to be outdated - it was updated back in Nov 2006.

I wrote them several times and they never responded.

William

...

Several such badges appeared a couple of years ago on eBay (including the one above), but I doubt that they belonged to either Prunariu or Dediu.

I remember seing them on for sale, I always assumed they were copies.

William

Hi, All

Agree with Matthijs and William. DPRK orders made in USSR are always collectible.

Tang Si

... except Flag Order 3rd class screwbacks. There seems to be endless suplly of them on eBay.

Dear Matt,

yes, as I pointed out, Bruno Kepnik started my collecting career .

You will find an English translation of Kepniks citation at the "other" Soviet forum of Mr. Artur Bates the 3rd one.

Please post the additional material - and the results of your future research - at thread dealing with the "Order of the Yugoslavian Flag" - many thanks .

Best regards

Christian

Matt,

Congratulations on excellent 2nd class set.

I was offered this set a year ago .

I am glad it found good home!

William

Hi William,

I think the interest is not (yet) great for DPRK stuff, but this order is definitely collectable. It is silver gilt, numbered, made in the Soviet Union, and great looking. Since supply outstrips demand at this point you can strike a great bargain for these pieces. And also, since the supply of perfect ones is quite big (comparatively speaking) most people would want that instead of a damaged/repaired piece. So I would think that damaged ones are significantly cheaper (as in my case).

I think a fair price for an undamaged one should be around $1,500 - $2,000, although many are listed for more (I've seen $3,000, even $4,000). Whether they would sell for that price, and not be negotiated down, I don't know.

The piece I have was professionally restored, and it is VERY hard to tell it's been repaired. For the rest it is in excellent condition for a 1950s piece.

I would not be surprised if the demand for these goes up quickly, and also, the DPRK orders not made in the Soviet Union will never be really collectable.

Matt.

Matt,

Well done, I think you did great - low price for a Mondvor piece where repairs are not noticeable at all.

I agree about Korean made pieces - the prices actually went down from few years ago. I remember about 5 yrs ago when I developed interest in N Korean awards - even 3rd classes would sell on eBay for decent money - about $20-30. Now there are tons of them in the market for lower price and very few buys.

What do you think about Chech made pieces? Their quality seems to be on par with Soviet made awards.

William

Ed,

Another great collection of items you have. Those old DPRK orders are actually quite something! I have quite a few of the new versions of orders, just because they were cheap and I wanted to see them in person. They're just OK. But I just got in this 1st type Order of Labor, and it is spectacular! It has enamel repair in several places, but it is exquisitely done and for this price it was a bargain. I can't wait to get another old-type DPRK order.

Matthijs, Great award!!!

How much would it cost today?

You mentioned the condition wasn't top, by how much are Korean awards discounted in presence of repairs/ damage?

William

Friends,

let's clarify something here before we get too excited.

Yes, it's true that Bulgarian Order of labor Glory was setup in such way that higher classes were given to folks who were previosly awarded lower classes.

However, I am not aware of any special Cavalier designation like one in Soviet Union, where the recepients of all three clases of Labor Glory were given Cavalier Booklet. In many years collecting Bulgarian awards I've never seen Bulgarian Cavalier documents. I also never read anythig about existence of such documents.

Best regards,

William