Carlo

HI, I actually didn't add a photo of the box, but I think it was purchased privately as it has the small seat with the outlines of the decoration. Here are other photos that perhaps can help with identification. The case appears to be the size of a full size Order of Franz Joseph Carlo

Good morning everyone, I recently purchased this miniature of the Order of Franz Joseph, my first miniature of an Austrian order. Examining it in person I realized that it has no mark, neither the medal nor the chain, nor any manufacturer's mark or material mark. I'm pretty sure it's original, and was wondering if the manufacture could identify a possible manufacturer. The cross almost looks like gold, while the chain doesn't, another thing I noticed is that the clasp of the chain is engraved by hand, which I don't know if it was done on other materials other than gold. Can anyone give me some info?

Great research, but I don't think it's a worn die, but a different style of engraving. But looking at yours I noticed that mine has more acorns, I count 12, while in yours and in my others I only count 8. Notice the tops of the leaves on the right side.

You're right, the photos aren't the best, but you should see better from this one. Another detail that I noticed is that in the second pair of acorns starting from the bottom there is not one on each side, but one on the left and two on the right, something that I only found in this specimen. I have to verify who the engraver of the decoration was, I don't remember his name at the moment, but it certainly could be.

Good evening everyone, with this topic I wanted to share with you this kriegsmedaille which is marked with a small Z at 6 o'clock on the back. Does anyone know if it is indicative of any manufacturer? I immediately thought of Zimbler, but I have another marked J.Z. and it's different, so I don't think it's the same manufacturer.

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HI, yes I mean 2.5 meters, but I prefer not to cut it. It has arrived today in this form and I don't want to change it.

Interesting explanation. The width of the ribbon is exactly 6.8cm and it is approximately 2.5 meters long. However, I hadn't thought about the fact that the red ribbon could be a French Order of the Legion of Honour, I have to go and review a couple of things about the alliances of the time.

Hello everyone, here are more photos. To answer Farkas' question: the medal is attached to the ribbon by simply hooking the hook inside the upper edge of the ribbon. Unfortunately I no longer have the photo, but there is also a variant with a small metal element to reinforce where the medal attaches to the ribbon.

Greetings, I want to present to you an article that has given me a lot to think about lately, it is a combined ribbon with 4 decorations. I know that combined ribbons existed and were used, what makes me think is the combination of decorations to which the individual ribbons belong. Order of the Iron Crown, Order of Franz Joseph, Kanonenkreuz, Service Cross. The ribbon that makes me think is that of the kanonenkreuz, which could have been combined with that of the order of the iron crown, but I have some doubts about the other two. The ribbon is made of very fine silk, which makes me think it is quite old, but other than that I have no other information. If anyone has any ideas or information it would be greatly appreciated.

Hello everyone, I recently came across this medal for 40 years of faithful service with an uncommon ribbon attachment system. I've only seen a couple before, in my experience it should be one of the alternative methods for attaching the medal to the ribbon that were designed between the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century. Not having had much success at the time, today there are only a few examples that can be found.

Hello everyone, in this topic I wanted to present a new addition to my collection. A Kriegsmedaille in an old box, I believe from the period of the creation of this medal. Unfortunately neither the box nor the medal have any distinctive marks or signs.

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Judging by the color (especially the back) it seems to be made of silver-plated zinc, where the plating has been lost over time. There is a zinc version of this decoration as well as the Kriegsmedaille and the Military merit medal made at the end of the First World War. In my opinion an interesting piece and not easy to find.

FA is the mark of Franz Adler from Vienna I'm pretty sure I saw it in the emedals archive some time ago. It will probably have been an officer who was not happy to have the same decoration as the troop and would have had it personalized, as happened with the kanonenkreuz

Interesting, it could be, it's a shame we don't have a box to add a few more elements to the search...

Hello, unfortunately I don't know how to help you, I've been asking myself the same question for a long time. The only thing that came to mind was about the KMT mark, which could also be interpreted as KriegsMeTall, the Karl Truppenkreuz is made of zinc which in German was also called kriegsmetall. On the version of the Kriegsmedaille made in zinc during the First World War there is the mark KM which I believe also indicates the word kriegsmetall. Unfortunately I can't think of anything else, I hope for the intervention of those who know more.....

Hello everyone, I recently came across this box for the gold merit cross, nothing special about the box itself, it is a Bergmann box dated 1916 for a piece made of bronze. The reason why I bought it is inside, a Rothe sticker is glued to the inner side of the lid. I'm pretty sure it's original because I've seen other stickers like it applied on the boxes of a Marianerkreuz and an Order of the Iron Crown, as well as on the boxes of some miniature chains. The thing I was wondering is the reason for this, considering that Rothe produced both the decorations and the boxes for all the pieces I was talking about above. Now I rely, as often happens, on the knowledge of the most experts. Carlo

it's difficult to say, as the others have already said, Rothe also produced on commission. The certain thing is that it was certainly not officially issued, but it could certainly be a commissioned production.

This is certainly a good point of view, also because when talking about personal knowledge you cannot think you know everything. Many years have passed since the production of these decorations and certainly only a few of them have reached the present day. I too thought that Resch production was limited to a few prestigious decorations and in precious materials, until I found (by chance) a service cross with the Resch mark, which I personally thought was impossible having never seen any and being a decoration usually made of bronze which is certainly not an expensive material. Since then I have started to discuss and ask for information from the more experts in order to expand my knowledge on the subject, and this topic is the proof. Greetings Carlo

Interesting, I'll definitely keep that in mind. I didn't post the photo, but this decoration has the Diana head mark of 900 silver, which makes sense as it was produced pre 1918 (I think)

Thank you! Considering the other decorations and the markings of the material I think it could be. Unfortunately with the chains you never know if they are original since the miniatures can be removed or added. In this case the only decoration with the welded ring is the marianerkreuz, so I believe that decoration has never been modified.

Interesting, at the moment I have no memory of Austrian date stamps, (maybe I'm wrong) but it could be. Unfortunately, like other marks that are sometimes found on decorations, this one is not yet identified, like many others. One thing I've noticed is that you often find unknown marks on the War Cross for Civil Merit and on the Karl trupprnkreuz. This makes me think that having (along with the red cross decorations) been established near the end of the empire and having all been produced by numerous manufacturers due to high demand (especially the KTK and the red cross decorations) there was time to keep track of the manufactutrer. Obviously this is my hypothesis, I'm certainly not the best expert in this sector, so all I can do is formulate hypotheses and discuss them with others. But I think this is one of the beautiful things about collecting, together with: studying, researching and dealing with the most experienced collectors to expand your own knowledge.

An excellent research, which as you say leads to more questions than answers, but from a certain point of view it is an interesting part of the collector's "profession"!

After some research I found an excerpt from the catalog of Johann Menner from 1903 where this medal cost from 5 to 7 crowns. While in the 1910 Heinrich Ulbricht's Widow catalog the same medal costs 3 crowns, the same price as in the Schneider Brothers catalog of the same year. Instead in the catalog of H.Schall & Son of 1908 it is 3.70 crowns. Based on these prices (all referring to medals without ribbon) I believe that this box can be dated to around the early 1900s. What do you think?? Could be??