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Some additions: Order of Philip the Magnanimous Silver Cross at 26.12.1858 In: Hof- und Staats-Handbuch des Grossherzogtums Hessen fur ... 1883 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112032663715&seq=100&q1=Hechler&start=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Order_of_St._Henry https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Orden#Ordensstatuten

Hello Gents Whats the word before Unteroffizier? Abteilung? Kind regrets and thanks.

It was also awarded for military merit.

Hello gents, anybody got additional Information about Paymaster or Quartermaster Wilhelm Hechler in the 2nd Hessian cavalryman regiment? It became in 1872 the 24th Dragoon regiment. Found him as a Paymaster in the "Königlich preussische Ordensliste 1877 pt.3" as a recipient of the non-combatant IC2 1870: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015049878856&seq=1161&q1=Hechler Kind regrets

I managed to download the pictures and the plain text. But I cant merge it into a .pdf because these page dont use a proper format like hOCR. Anyway I merged the pictures into a pdf, but its not searchable. So I provide the _fulltext.txt file in which you can search, and find the page number to go to in the .pdf file or pictures folder Note that I did not inlude the first and last two pages because they are empty. pdf: https://rapidgator.net/file/e72e2e6381b851b3b6c5d991deacc0ee/pdf.zip.html pictures: https://rapidgator.net/file/ccfce5785eb7c4abd659f37a5df780d0/images.zip.html I saw there is plenty of intersting stuff on this side (Thanks for the link), and is pretty easy to dowload the pictures and text. Will look out for a solution to merge it proper. But, anyway I cant uploade directly here, because the files are to big.

Here is a Halle one which seems to have a similar design or first letter: https://www.kpemig.de/Preussen-Schulterstueck-fuer-einen-Hauptmann-der-Landwehr-Inspektion-Halle

Is the Karlsruhe one actually showing a "LK"? For Landwehr?

So the flag received the award and not all or some individuals in a regiment. You should have asked this in first. Language would not be a problem then. Some examples are mentioned in this books: 1807-1890: https://ordensmuseum.de/Regimentsgeschichten/Standarten1.pdf 1807-1898: https://ordensmuseum.de/Regimentsgeschichten/Standarten2.pdf Example (Page 6 in first book): Unfortunately I dont know about WW1 or if it was still done in WW1.

Translated it, but cant find the example. I guess, you talking about something like this (fictional example)?: For the capture of Fort Douaumont, Cordt von Brandis received the PLM, the entire regiment received the Iron Cross second class, the officers received the first class and the company commanders received the HOH. Stuff like this way done in Germany at Regimental anniversaries, but of course not with combat award, but with house orders and stuff like this. And afaik not down to enlisted man level.

See my edit, there are some rare examples, also in other German states likely. Dont know if it also sticks to some common awards like IC, which might be your question I guess? Perhaps others can answer this.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserabzeichen Th claps 1916 for the hessian bravery medal was also awarded on regimental or company level. Cant remember what exactly. Edit: Only awarded to 3 NCOs (one of each battalion) and 26 officers. So its not the best example.

You could easily "buy" a lot of Medals, if you participated in any way in WW1. Like the kyffhäuser medal or the Deutsche Ehrendenkmünze des Weltkriegs and a few more.

If someone at any point has the same question. Its Koepkes signature. Its in the Book: Sturmabteilung Roßbach - Als Grenzschutz in Westpreußen

Hello Andy Thank!

So, do you think its a double s?

Hello Andy I was a bit unclear, Sorry. Wißmar is a small town in the Gießen area. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wißmar Whats the towns name in your opinion? Wismar or Wissmar? Kind regrets

In the last picture. Abteilung Nervenkranke - Department of mentally ill Patients The diagnose is imo "Hysterie kampfunfähig -15-". Hysteria, incapacitated or unfit for fighting. Likely what was called shellshock. Dont know about the -15- Might be some code.

Hello Andy, Its Wismar, Sturmabteilung Roßbach, after Kapp-Putsch related. Its 21.3.20. The date its mentioned in the Text where it's better to read: That's what I thought, because the Sturmabteilung Roßbach participated in the Kapp-Putsch in Wismar. But now looking at the Town's name, it looks more like Wissmar. Also, the second mentioning in the Text: The one besides the signature: But Wißmar would be in the Gießen area, and the Sturmabteilung Roßbach was in the Mecklenburg and Ruhr area during and after the Kapp-Putsch. Not sure if it's a strange writing or another town. And there is also a Wismar/Wißmar in Pomerania. https://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/WISMA2JO73MO The headquarters of the Arbeitsgemeinschaft Roßbach in Pomerania was at "Gut Sadow, Kreis Pyritz". Pyritz (Pyrzyce) is ~60km away from Wismar/Wißmar (Wyszomierz, West Pomeranian Voivodeship) in Pomerania. Would be a better match compared to the Gießen one. But its strange, its written with ss and not ß, especially when Roßbach is written with the ß: It's a Passport, saying he is now a Member of the Sturmabteilung Roßbach. My guess would be its Lieutenant Koepke, Roßbachs adjutant. But I wanted an unbiased answer about the name, because my thoughts are biased. See Wismar vs. Wissmar. Thanks, for asking me about the Town, leads to some thought about Wismar being right. If it's not Wismar, I'm not sure about Koepke. Because I think he was present in the Mecklenburg and Ruhr area during this time. Could also be some "Werbeoffizier". It's stamped with a "Briefstempel" from the Sturmabteilung, and the "Briefstempel" is crossed out. But I don't know if they even had regular stamps, especially in this banned and unbanned times. Kind regrets

Thanks, do you think the Lts name could be Koepke?

Sometimes I think about it would be an easy way to laundry Money for some made Men. Sure there might be some uniformed collectors, but they are imo more in the price range of buying fake EKs. If you spend a couple grands, you likely do your homework or got fooled by someone like Kujau, who also use the social component for fooling you. It's a little bit different compared with an anonymous eBay offer.

You are right, its not a PLM. My fault, did miss it, because the award did hardly cover 50% of the pictures size.

That's a legit reason to ask for better pictures which tell what (Sure, a PLM, but what was the description) was sold for how much. The poster's battery or reception level is not so interesting. Did a quick scroll through the at German eBay sold PLMs but could not find this cased example.

So I guess the crown is much more scare. https://woeschler-orden.de/katalog/archiv/sachsen-altenburg-herzog-ernst-medaille-mit-spange-1914-1er-ordensschnalle

Hello Gents I'm struggling with the words before Oskar and his last name: I know it's quite hard and more a guess. But who do you think is this lieutenant? Kind regrets and thanks.