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Most splendid research on your part, Glenn. You continue to stump me with your posts! I do apologize for my absence, I have been extremely busy and between the many forums I frequent, the GMIC slipped my mind. I hope these photos make up for it. Credit to their respective owners.

Precisely those ones, yes. That's surprising. I thought the lack of surviving examples was simply because of their rare nature, not outright a discontinuing of the pattern. Seems like the retention of lower insignia, or a mix, is not actually not that uncommon. I can also think of the wear of earlier golden HV cyphers instead of the later silver ones, against regulation, by certain officials. A-ha! I was waiting for a photo of these in wear. Most excellent. I was also waiting for one of these to show up. Beautiful example of the rare Schulterschnüre cords. I continue to be astonished by your collection.

Nice to see more posts! No worries, I meant another of Prof. Hackenberger. Very interesting to see the passage of time through someone's career like that. Do I spy a first model breast eagle, on Feldgrau? Fascinating photo. And they didn't wear the alt-Preußische style of the Generalstaboffiziere? Who did then?

I see you don't limit yourself to only excellent photos of the Kriegsmarine, Grossadmiral. Very nice. The Feldpost are also unique in having the only einfachen Dienst grade without any stars, Feldpostbote. To my knowledge. These are terrific, Larry. I can't tell if the penultimate photo, of the official with the dagger, is for a Sonderführer (like the last one) or for a Beamter A.Kr. A Feldgrau collar on such a nice tailored tunic would be out of place. Exceptional photos, I knew about the later transfer of musicians but I have many questions regarding why it was done, what exactly happened to musicians later in the war (retrained as soldiers?), the wear of their unique red insignia and lyre symbol, etc. As for the other one, you certainly know more than me with regards to the wear of collar patches. Are there any other photos of him? There is definitively a second, darker star on the right board, but only one star on the left one. Why that is, a mystery. The devices seem to be GFP, per the other photo, and the Nebenfarben is light enough for Hellblau.

Good to know! Looking through the photos I have saved, I realized I do in fact know of another photo of the early pattern tabs, worn by Heeresmusikinspizienten Prof. Hermann Schmidt in 1935, and orignally posted by Laurence over on the WAF. I do hope he's alright, he always had great contributions. Additionally, here's two photos of uniformed GFP officials, the lowest rank in the hierarchy, Feldpolizeiassistent(?), and a Feldpolizeisekretär, the Leutnant equivalent. Sure don't see that every day.

That I had no idea, neat. I've read a bunch of times it was only for those two, so that's news to me. Hmm, I will try asking TMB for his name, he might have it. Perhaps to do away with, the last "remnants" of Imperial insignia? Could really be anything. I hope this revival isn't short-lived and other members contribute. I myself have some other interesting Beamter pics, which I'll see about adding later.

Fair enough, thank you again. I will ask one more thing then. These early Höherer Dienst tabs were only worn by the Reichskriegsgericht and the Heeresjustizbeamte, which is what you meant by your suggestion that he could be a Kriegsrichter, yea? Any idea why that was? And why they were later dropped?

Thanks for the correction Glenn, I went with that rank based purely on the two stars on his boards. These Beamte ranks are highly confusing and I couldn't find a lot of text to accompany the various illustrations and photos one can find online, so I really do appreciate the step by step process. I've played with the contrast of the photo a bit and I still only see two stars and no HV device, or any other device for that matter. So that could only mean he is indeed Reichskriegsgericht, right?

Great photos, Glenn. Hopefully I can add a bit to this thread myself. The only other I know of the early pattern höherer Dienst collar tabs in wear is this one, on a Reichskriegsgerichts-Oberinspektor, I believe. Full photo credit to TheMadBaron over on the WAF. As for the Beamter a. Kr., I have attached two relevant photos, one straight from the regulations regarding the uniforms of the Kriegsverwaltungsbeamte/Militärverwaltungsbeamte, and an article on Uniformen-Markt informing about the new insignia for Beamten a. Kr. and Sonderführers. I have to add I personally haven't seen one photo showing a Hellgrau collar, nor any gehobenen Dienst insignia in Hellgrau or any of the mittleren Dienst's in Feldgrau. Collars are typically the usual bottle green, middle grade insignia seem to simply be silver, and all of the lower grade insignia are of varying shades of gray.