Komtur

Oberstabsarzt Dr. Georg König

HEK3X

Kramer, Benno, Lazarett-Pfarrer in Roulers, Etappeninspektion 4. Armee am 22.10.1916

Friedrich Drenker

1 hour ago, Simius Rex said:

... I have a question about the Esser medal bar.  How was it determined that the White Falcon and the Maurice & Lazarus were the two awards missing?  Was the name of the owner known in advance, or was the combo of remaining 5 awards enough for an I-D?

This bar came along with two other bars of a very special combination, wich of this reason were researchable for his son Ferdinand Esser. So it seems likely, to attribute the other bar to a relative and therefore the father Robert Esser was found promtly.

As often in these cases, all the glory belongs to Daniel ?.

Later I found the portrait, where Robert Esser wore exactly the bar I´ve got. Both missing decorations are to be seen there clearly.

1 hour ago, 1812 Overture said:

Wow! Your bars are great! I would like to ask if the last medal of this medal bar is the 1908 Messina Earthquake Rescue Medal?

Yes it is. As commander of SMS Hertha from April 1908 to March 1909 Hugo Louran got the scarce medal of merit in silver.

Robert Esser

Vizeadmiral Hugo Louran

Generalmajor Maximilian Lesser

The Baden order was removed, probably because of return. By comparing the medal bar with the one worn by Lesser after May 1905, the position of the Baden order was changed later. Supposing, he wore the bar because of political reasons in that way in his late private life, I leave the sequence of decorations as I found it and only replaced the Zähringer Lion.

Landesbankdirektor und Hauptmann der Landwehr Kuno Dopfer

The medalbar was linked with the name of Dopfer at an auction and came with two long service crosses. Interestingly Dopfer was mentioned indeed in the Prussian sources with the Prussian cross and in the Bavarian ones with their cross. I am until now not sure, if he was officially qualified for both. It is quite possible, he got them by mistake, because of his service in the Bavarian Army and his place of residence in Hohenzollern (belonging to Prussia).

Ernst Freiherr von Mirbachs medal bar and its Ottoman medal of the Kaisers visit to Konstantinopel in 1889:

1. as sold in Thies auction 1988 (probably in the original version of sewed ribbons)

2. as sold in Thies auction 2004 (evidently the ribbon of the Ottoman medal was removed and refixed in a different manner)

3. as sold in Künker auction 2017 (the Ottoman medal was turned)

4. as sold by a renowned medal dealer in 2018 (the Ottoman medal and its ribbon was removed and permanently separated from the medalbar)

5. after replacing the missing medal

The original Ottoman medal in gold was in 2017 removed by the acquirer, who was obviously only interested in this very scarce medal. The then missing medal and ribbon was replaced with a contemporary bronze gilded medal and its original ribbon.

Ranglisten des Königreichs Sachsen

may be of some use.

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

... Do you have any more details on von Schjerning's family? ...

I showed some more of the pictures here.

There is a medical promotion written about this person. The author mediated the contact to a female descendant in Berlin. The agile about 90 years old lady left documents and pictures to me for copying them.

Unfortunately I have because of moving in a new flat now no access to my library and can´t have a look at the above mentioned promotion.

The owner was a Saxon reserve officer and civil servant. The Brunswick Order of Henry the Lion seems to be an officer grade. This is a scarce decoration and there exists a printed list of the awards. To look at this list for Saxons could lead to the person, you are looking for.

Regards, Komtur.

57 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

... The later Generalstabsarzt z. V. Otto Napp married in Berlin a Marie Schjerning (born 2. Februar 1883). Could this be von Schjerning's daughter? ...

She is! I met her daughter about 15 years ago and scanned the pictures of Schjerning I showed before.

17 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

I have never seen the HOH star worn like this ... was this usus?

Yes, for the Komturstern it was according to the regulations.

Some portraits of him:

8 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

... But I do have a question to his ROA4 for the German Brother War 1866, what exactly does the "w" mean? EK2w means "am weißen Bande", but surely not for the ROA?! ...

 

 

It means "am weißen Bande mit schwarzen Seitenstreifen".

Regards, Komtur.

6 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

I don't have photographic or documentary evidence for the Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern, but Böse served as the Divisionsarzt der I. Marinedivision, Marinekorps Flandern (02.12.1917 - 06.02.1918). This made him eligible to recieve the Flandernkreuz, and I am pretty sure he received it.

 

Regarding the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. What do you mean a source for this one? Firstly, it can be seen on Böse's? medal bar that you posted in the first post of this thread. Secondly, every veteran of WW1 was eligible for the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. Since Böse saw frontline combat, he is no exeption.

Thank you for your answer.

Sorry, my question wasn´t precise enough - I thought there could be a printed source or a portrait of Böse showing these two decorations.

6 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

His full list of awards:

 

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-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Very interesting! What is the source you found the last both decorations for Böse?

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

... RR?

... BHK?

Russland Rot-Kreuz-Medaille

Bremen Hanseatenkreuz

In the end I could find the real bar of Marine-Generaloberarzt Dr. Konrad Bobrik ?

5 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

... It would be interesting as well, if all Orders are Gold or are there silver gilt pieces on it. ...

IMHO these are silver gilt ones. The Hohenzollern is not an officially awarded one. It seems to be made after 1918 and could be at the best an exile award after 1930. In the end a strange combination with at least some doubts.

Regards, Komtur.

On 28/08/2006 at 19:33, Paul L Murphy said:

...

HOHENZOLLERN HOUSE ORDER KNIGHTS BADGE IN GILT;

RED EAGLE ORDER 3RD CLASS WITH CROWN IN GILT;

...

 

 

Gilt as stated in the beginning ...

5 hours ago, Eric Stahlhut said:

regarding medal #6 on the thurn bar--it is a romanian  order of merit from the era of the quite controversial king carol the 2nd--probably very rare!

Yes, it is the 1937 created and quite scarce Romanian Honour Cross of Merit 2nd class.

Oberforstrat Erwin Thurn