Komtur

Thanks to all of you, gentleman.

I really hope we are right, but there are some points I want to discuss:

1.) Shame on me, I stopped screening the W?rttemberg Staatshandbuch 1914, when I found Wanner, so I have to complete the work next time to be shure.

2.) Shouldn?t it be a civilian "Frackspange" then this kind of a bar, normally worn by officers?

3.) Is there any chance to find Wanner in a list of some of the other decorations?

4.) Are there any other sources, then the W?rttemberg Staatshandbuch and the Wer ist?s to search for Wanner?

5.) No Prussian decoration in 1914 and then 5 in the next 4 years - isn?t that to much?

With regards, Komtur.

As Rick recommended I searched the W?rttemberg Hof- und Staatshandbuch 1914:

this Theodor Wanner is not bad? He got the Belgian, the Oldenburg and the W?rttemberg one and Montenegro and Sweden are neck orders!

....came along with a document

Another sandwich

Hallo Forumites,

I was asked by another collector to show this bar here in the GMIC. He is a serious collector and author of order articles and books. The bar was shown twice without success in the German forum SDA.

By any reason he believes, it could be a W?rttemberg Oberstabsarzt.

Btw. the only not German decoration is a Belgium Order of the Crown knight cross.

With regards, Komtur.

Hallo Micha,

unfortunately no luck with the "Stammliste der Kaiser Wilhelms-Akademie f?r das milit?r?rztliche Bildungswesesn". That means he did his medical studies not there, may be on a civilien university. In the Ordensalmanach 1908/09 is also no Wittichen to be found. The oldest Prussian ranklist I?ve got is 1884 - no Wittichen .

Probably he was not a Sanit?tsoffizier, but a civilien medical docter serving behind the front in 1870/71 without a military rank or with a non officers rank. Then it will be difficult to find something.

Can you show us this bar, please

With regards, Komtur.

Rick, Komtur,

Fritz Vieth was the former 3. Lothringisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 135 Vieth (Hptm 1.10.13 B50b) and still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste. Magdeburgisches J?ger-Bataillon Nr. 4 Leutnant Vieth was promoted to Oberleutnant with a Patent of 27.1.15 J52i and was still in that rank in the 1919 Dienstaltersliste.

Regards

Glenn

Sorry, there were other awarding documents in that group, I forgot to mention:

1.) Verwundeten-Abzeichen in Schwarz f?r Hauptmann Vieth IR 135 (date not to read)

2.) Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse f?r Hauptmann und Kompanief?hrer Fritz Vieth Res.-IR 98 (?) vom 28.6.1918

3.) Braunschweig Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse f?r Hauptmann Fritz Vieth IR 459 vom 8.8.1918

4.) Braunschweig Bew?hrungsabzeichen zum Kriegsverdienstkreuz Hauptmann Fritz Vieth IR 459 vom 26.9.1918

The scans on Ebay were bad and before I was able to bid, the document group was canceled

With regards, Komtur.

Could save this pic from Ebay before it was gone with the wind

Verleihung vom 27. Juli 1917 an Hauptmann Fritz Vieth vom IR 139 (?)

With regards, Komtur.

I dont know if these kind of guys are in the book on the Wilhelms-Akademie aswell, which list bio's of militairy doctors. By the way, does the back of the bar have a marine backing?

Couldn?t find this Hansen in the Stammliste der Kaiser Wilhelms-Akademie, but found him in the Stammliste des Marine-Sanit?ts-Offizierskorps 1906:

Thank you very much Komtur!!! it is a nice document, unfortunately I can't read anything of the text.

Wir Wilhelm von Gottes Gnaden K?nig von Preu?en etc.

haben dem Vize-Oberhofmeister ihrer Majest?t der Kaiserin und K?nigin,

Schlo?hauptmann von Charlottenburg, Otto Freiherrn von Ende, da?

von Uns zu Unserer silbernen Hochzeit gestiftete Erinnerungszeichen

verliehen und ertheilen demselben ?ber den rechtm??igen Be-

sitz dieser Auszeichnung das gegenw?rtige Beglaubigungs-

Schreiben mit unserer eigenen Unterschrift und dem bei-

gedrucktem K?niglichen Insiegel, Berlin, den 27. Februar 1906.

Sorry, to translate it proper in English is to sophisticated for me.

With regards, Komtur.

and the Kaiser himself

General von Gilgenheimb

If you like them

General von Francois

Hi Komtur,

char. Generalleutnant Hans v. Feldmann, born 7 November 1868 in Berlin, died 10 July 1940 in Hannover. He retired as the State Secretary in the War Ministry on 7 April 1922 with the Charakter of Generalleutnant. Strangely, he appears to wear the rank of a General der Infanterie.

Regards

Glenn

Hm, shame on me , I was wrong with the rank insignia, then the second general must be a Generalleutnant. May be I was wrong with the signature too??? Does it really mean "Feldmann". Any other idea for interpretation of this S?tterlin writing?

Thanks and regards, Komtur.

Hello Humberto,

I can?t tell you the number of awarded decorations, that?s a point I am interested too! But I can show a scan of an awarding document:

2. unknown Generalmajor with Red Eagle Order 2nd class with X and oak leaves, may be identifiable by his order bar?

Not spectecular, but may be of interest for anyone here: two new arrived pics of imperial Generals.

1. Generalleutnant Feldmann (?) (as I read the signiture)

On the back dated by postal stamp 11.10.1933. I only found one fitting in the Ehrenrangliste 1914.

I LOVE the war merit cross one- 1916-18 huh?

Hello Ulsterman,

that ribbon-question in this case is quite difficult. In the statuts of the Honor Decoration for the XXV anniversery it is spoken of orders, not decorations. Therefore I am shure, that very rare example with that special ribbon you mentioned is representing a Crown Order (4th or 3rd class) with memory ribbon ("am Erinnerungsband") awarded 1870/71 for merits behind the front. This "Erinnerungsband" is the same later used for the war merit cross.

With regards, Komtur.

Komtur,

Ulsterman is wondering if your Dentist would have been awarded the HK (Hindenburgkreuz) f?r Nichtk?mpfer oder X (mit Schwertern) f?r Frontk?mpfer

Hardy

I?ve got only the EK II with the dokument, no other decorations or papers - so I don?t know.

Komtur.

neat-now did he have an HK or and HKx?

Sorry, but I?m afraid my English or my knolwedge of the EK is not sophisticated enough to understand what you mean

The award on the ribbbon of the Prussian House Order of Hohenzollern:

Dr. Ernst Zunker, docter of the imperial family

The award on the ribbon of the grand cross of the Red Eagle Order:

General der Kavallerie Adolf von Deines

Hello Humberto,

this questions were discussed a few weeks ago in the similar German forum "Sammlergemeinschaft Deutscher Auszeichnungen":

It was awarded to persons close to the jubilee couple, so it was not a common award. It was given also to 119 veterans belonging 25 years before to the 2nd company of the 1st Garde-Regiment zu Fu?, because that company was led by prince Wilhelm, the later Kaiser Wilhelm II. The figure XXV with a myrtle wreath around in silver lays on the ribbon of the last awarded Prussion order. If the person got no Prussion order before, the ribbon was white. The 119 veterans got the award on the ribbon of the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen (see picture below). The awarding document was signed personally by the Kaiser.

with regards, Komtur.

At last the Iron Cross, that comes with this awarding document is a fine example. There are no marks on it.

With regards, Komtur.

A second amazing thing is the watermark, it seems the document is printed on the enemies paper