Komtur

57 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

... The later Generalstabsarzt z. V. Otto Napp married in Berlin a Marie Schjerning (born 2. Februar 1883). Could this be von Schjerning's daughter? ...

She is! I met her daughter about 15 years ago and scanned the pictures of Schjerning I showed before.

17 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

I have never seen the HOH star worn like this ... was this usus?

Yes, for the Komturstern it was according to the regulations.

Some portraits of him:

8 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

... But I do have a question to his ROA4 for the German Brother War 1866, what exactly does the "w" mean? EK2w means "am weißen Bande", but surely not for the ROA?! ...

 

 

It means "am weißen Bande mit schwarzen Seitenstreifen".

Regards, Komtur.

6 minutes ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

I don't have photographic or documentary evidence for the Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern, but Böse served as the Divisionsarzt der I. Marinedivision, Marinekorps Flandern (02.12.1917 - 06.02.1918). This made him eligible to recieve the Flandernkreuz, and I am pretty sure he received it.

 

Regarding the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. What do you mean a source for this one? Firstly, it can be seen on Böse's? medal bar that you posted in the first post of this thread. Secondly, every veteran of WW1 was eligible for the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. Since Böse saw frontline combat, he is no exeption.

Thank you for your answer.

Sorry, my question wasn´t precise enough - I thought there could be a printed source or a portrait of Böse showing these two decorations.

6 hours ago, Kriegsmarine Admiral said:

His full list of awards:

 

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-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Very interesting! What is the source you found the last both decorations for Böse?

1 hour ago, Deutschritter said:

... RR?

... BHK?

Russland Rot-Kreuz-Medaille

Bremen Hanseatenkreuz

In the end I could find the real bar of Marine-Generaloberarzt Dr. Konrad Bobrik ?

5 hours ago, Daniel Krause said:

... It would be interesting as well, if all Orders are Gold or are there silver gilt pieces on it. ...

IMHO these are silver gilt ones. The Hohenzollern is not an officially awarded one. It seems to be made after 1918 and could be at the best an exile award after 1930. In the end a strange combination with at least some doubts.

Regards, Komtur.

On 28/08/2006 at 19:33, Paul L Murphy said:

...

HOHENZOLLERN HOUSE ORDER KNIGHTS BADGE IN GILT;

RED EAGLE ORDER 3RD CLASS WITH CROWN IN GILT;

...

 

 

Gilt as stated in the beginning ...

5 hours ago, Eric Stahlhut said:

regarding medal #6 on the thurn bar--it is a romanian  order of merit from the era of the quite controversial king carol the 2nd--probably very rare!

Yes, it is the 1937 created and quite scarce Romanian Honour Cross of Merit 2nd class.

Oberforstrat Erwin Thurn

3 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

 ... I would love to see a picture of him with the Jerusalemkreuz 1898. ...

Here you are:

2 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

... Is it this? What would the correct German name be? Thanks!

 

 

Yes it is: Erinnerungsabzeichen an den 70. Geburtstag Wilhelms II. (Hersteller Godet)

BTW the portrait of Livonius is NOT the picture of 1812 Overture, it is from my collection.

On 03/06/2021 at 17:17, webr55 said:

Here are two of the higher grades together, both with swords. We have v. Wrisberg, but I think we don't have Generalstabsarzt der Armee Prof. Dr. Otto von Schjerning yet: Commander with star with swords

 

The award is also not in his list on Wikipedia:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Schjerning

 

From Münchner Neueste Nachrichten, 17.8.1917

 

 

 

Could it be that we are missing more of the higher grades? This is General d.I. Moriz (sic!) von Lyncker, who got the Großkomtur with swords.

 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriz_von_Lyncker

 

From Münchner Neueste Nachrichten, 19.8.1917

2 hours ago, BlackcowboyBS said:

... claiming that the scenario in which one person could get such an award is highly unplausibly.

Indeed this was the main point I tried to express with my comment.

A second class Red Eagle Order was an award for ranks of major generals and similar navy or civil ranks, sometimes for one rank lower or higher. A jubilee device was handed out, if a decoration was awarded explicitly for a service jubilee. In that case the person must have been in active service for 60 years. It is quite impossible to be a major general in the Prussian Army and serve active for such a long time, because there was no official position, where an officer could persevere in that rank until his at least 76th year of life. But let us imagine, this happend nevertheless. Then our aged general must have been at war after his 60th jubilee to earn the swords to his order.

Highly unplausible is the best phrase for that scenario.

Regards, Komtur.

23 minutes ago, Triad08 said:

 

... I miss the old days, when the Germans communicated their messages clearly and unambiguously... you know, like the message they sent to Poland on September 1, 1939 ...

Well, what should we do, losing two wars, even though having the cuter uniforms and the superior sausages. We were forced to change our attitudes at least.

Without smiley, Komtur.

It seems to be an about 80 years old at least major general earning a bravery decoration and getting such a decoration in another war before - respect!

If there really exist one - it should be easy to research him ?

Regards, Komtur.

Walter Eucken

6 hours ago, laurentius said:

I don't want to hijack the subject, but what did Von Mirbach do to get that lifesaving-medal?

Together with his comrade captain baron von Troschke he saved on the 28th of November in 1880 a boy from drowning in the Berlin river Spree. For that rescue both officers of the Garde-Füsilier-Regiment were honoured with the Prussian live saving medal on the 9th of April in 1881.

Abreviations from Stammliste des Marine-Sanitäts-Offizierskorps 1918

19 minutes ago, Claudio said:

... Furthermore on the picture here below you can see that the tone of the last medal is a bit brighter than the to before in bronze, hence we could deduce, it was silver the silver one.

 

Additionaly on this portrait both medals are easily to recognise ?

Could you be so kind and show the whole portrait?

40 minutes ago, Alex K said:

So I'm assuming Hindenburgh received the silver grade based on the link you provided? 

I think so.

It should be the memory medal for the 50th jubilee of the reign of duke Ernst of Sachsen-Altenburg celebrated in August 1903. In January 1903 Hindenburg was appointed commanding general of the IV. Armeekorps. The military contingent from the small duchy Sachsen-Altenburg of two battalions belongs to the 8. Thüringisches Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 153 (16. Infanterie-Brigade, 8. Division, IV. Armeekorps) of the Prussian Army. It can be taken for granted, that the commanding general of the dutchies military contingent was invited to the celebrities of the reigning jubilee and got the medal emitted because of this event.

From July 1900 until January 1903 Hindenburg was commanding the 28. Division of the Prussian Army in Karlsruhe. As this was the capital of the grand duchy of Baden the same as for the medal of Sachsen-Altenburg can be concluded for the medal of the 50th reigning jubilee of the grand duke Friedrich I. of Baden.

4 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

Thank you Mr. Dedehansen for your answer. So, should the doctor get the sword-free order? (Non-military version)

No. Because of the rank it seems to be no medical doctor. But even if he would be one, in war times he would get the order with the war decoration.

... in better solution:

Found this: