Komtur

I will search now for a usefull picture of a Godet cross

I could only find an early gold Godet cross about 1880 (Royal collection, London). The quality of the picture is not as good, as the above showed, but I think, the difference is to be seen.

I can only recommend the book Prussian Blue of Stephen Previtera with lots of detailed fotos and a convincing interpretation of the crosses you can find on the marked.

But what is your cross? I would judge it as "after 1918". If one have a so called "Zweitst?ck" of the twenties or a later production for collectors is often quite hard to distinguish.

With regards, Komtur.

Hallo Mike,

in my humble opinion this is not an official issued cross. The silver gilded PlM of late WW1 are made by Wagner, Friedl?nder and Godet. The Wagner and Friedl?nder crosses are very similar, but different to yours. Compare the two late WW1 PlM (Wagner left, Friedl?nder right) with the eagles on your cross. I would say it is not only a difference in style, also in quality.

(I will search now for a usefull picture of a Godet cross)

... promoted to Garnison Verwaltungs Oberinspektor 29.6.12 which dates the photograph from after this date as he wears the two "Rosettes" of that rank. He was transfered to Stralsund on 11 July 1913.

The foto is from ADOLF MEWES RATHENOW, so it must be date from 1912/1913, before he is gone to Stralsund. The name, rank and the year 1912 is written on the back, but in a very modern handwriting. I guess someone else has done before the same identification we do here.

Greetings, Komtur.

Any idea what the last position on his bar could be?

Just in the moment of posting I had this memory! So it could be Danish :

Memory Medal for the 100. Birthday of King Christian IX. ???

Another Beamter I like his glasses

Any idea what the last position on his bar could be?

The Rangliste 1913 shows only KO4, AEZ, DAZ 1. Klasse.

For me too one of each volume please!

Thanks for your work,

Komtur.

Hi Komtur,

if he is a medical officer then he holds the rank of Oberarzt (same as in the Prussian Army) but I can find no officer of that name in the k.u.k. Army, k.k. Landwehr or k.u. Honv?d (in any branch) in the 1918 editions of the various Ranglisten. Similarly no officer of that name in 1914 or 1916.

Regards

Glenn

Thank you Glenn. Hm, that?s odd, may be the interpretation of the written name is wrong?

Dear Komtur,

well, the title "Dr." in old Austria didn't specially mean, that the bearer is an M.D. The Doctor-title meant only, that he finished academic studies at any university and in any field with a (larger) thesis-paper + a second (rather easy) state-exam. So, he could have been anything: Lawyer, teacher, etc., etc.

His rank seems to me more like a 1st lieutenant (Oberleutnant), than a Lt.-Col.: Just two stars and nothing more.

But his decorations look rather good .

Best regards

Christian

BTW: His name is of Polish origin and indicates a rank of low nobility ("Schlachta"), as many names in the telephone book of Vienna .

Thanks for your friendly comment. I know of the titlemania in old Austria - my grandfather was a teacher in Teplitz (the Tschechian part) and was called Professor with the age of 24 in a quite normal technical school. No question you?re right with the Dr. title, but there is a chance, that he?s a M.D. isn?t it?

With the rank you must be also right. I?m not so certain in these Austrian stuff and I thougt it is a question of size of the stars. But I found some pics with the higher ranks like Oberstleutnant and Oberst and their collars are embroided. So he must be an Oberleutnant (or an equal medical officers rank).

Best regards, Komtur.

some details:

This Dr. Klotowsky (?) could be an Austrian medical officer in a rank of an Oberstleutnant (= Generalstabsarzt?). Is there somebody who is able to search for more information by looking in an Austrian ranklist? Thank you in advance!

Thanks to all for your research

I found the suspected in the Ordensalmanach too, it must be Benno Hultzsch, Hptm. d. R., Dresden-Strehlen, Karcher-Allee 31 (Dresden 29.11.63): KS?A3b, KS?LD1.

Asking Google for Benno Hultzsch I found:

Reinhold-Hultzsch-Stiftung

Errichtet am 1.Oktober 1916 vom Kaufmann und Major a.D: Benno Hultzsch zur Erinnerung an seinen im Luftkampf gefallenen Sohn. Die Stiftung sollte es kriegsbesch?digten Bundesmitgliedern erm?glichen, ein Gewerbe zu betreiben oder ein Eigenheim zu unterhalten.

So in 1916 he was a Major, then the photo must predate. To found such a donation in memory to his son makes him suspekt to gave money for other purposes too. This is a typical reason for awarding an ?lbergkreuz, so I believe he could be our candidate

Greetings, Komtur.

some details

Hallo forumites,

I would like to show you this rare portrait of a person decorated with the Prussian ?lbergkreuz. It seems to be a Saxon Landwehr Officer from the end of WW1 or short after the war. I began to crossmatch the roll of persons with the ?lbergkreuz to the Ordensalmanach and to some ranklists, until now without success. Knowing here are some poeple with the magic eye for these kind of questions I?m looking forward to your answer.

The decorations are (in my opinion):

- EK 2 1914

- Sachsen Kriegsverdienskreuz 1915-1918

- Sachsen Albrechtsorden Ritterkreuz 1. Klasse

- Sachsen Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 1. Klasse

- Preu?en RAO 4. Klasse

- Preu?en ?lbergkreuz

- ?sterreich Ehrenzeichen vom Roten Kreuz 2. Klasse

the bar again

The awarding document of the Hessian Sanitary Cross

Here's a picture of this award from the recent Thies auction: The bar of British Dr. Charles Galton.

I should say that the proper name is "Kronenorden 4. Klasse am Erinnerungsband".

Sorry for sliding But for some reason I was searching this bar May be the following is for somebody of interest: In the obituary of Galton most of his decorations are mentioned. As usual for this time he served as a private person for different countries. So there is no british award on his bar. Unfortunately the bar is obviously new mounted.

Was this possible a ebay-buy a couple of months back? I was the runner up in that auction. Nice that a forum member got it.

You?re right. I got it "last minute" on the airport internet terminal before leaving for holidays. Thank you for not bidding to high .

Greetings, Komtur.

I just saw that Wild Card got an cased Silver. Maybe he'll post it?

Not cased, not Wild Card, but silver and on a nice pure Hohenzollern-bar:

Here is the back. Can anyone show a pic of a person wearing this cross?

Greatings, Komtur.

I believe in this nice little thread this one is missing:

btw I can?t recognize if the Waldeck Officers cross is with or without X, but I?m certain Daniel knows

Inspekteur Kraftfahrwesen Generalmajor aD Otto Krenzlin (1864-1938)

He's wearing his Turkish War Medal star sideways.

As fast as ever , thank you.

Searching for HOH3X pics for Daniel I only found some portraits copied here But just by chance I found the following General:

In fact I think it may well be Friedrich von Esmarch.

Regards

Glenn

Another case, where orders tell a story . When I wondered: for me unusual the Kombination of relatively low REO3bow and high HOH Komtur with star, I had no clue who it is. But that high ranking House Order of Hohenzollern is the explanation. Esmarch was married with Prinzessin Henriette von Schleswig-Holstein of the House Sonderburg-Augustenburg, she was the aunti of Kaiserin Auguste married with the Kaiser! For his civil and also military merit (he was Generalarzt too) he was only in a rank to get something like a REO3, but as a kind of uncle for the Kaiser he got a high class of the familiy order.

Greetings, Komtur.