Komtur

Thanks to a member of the German Forum SDA another decoration of the bar is confirmed by a roll :

Hanseatenkreuz L?beck an von Schoeler, Generalintendant des Feldheeres am 18.12.1915

Some time ago I payed a fortune for this postcard of him with original signature. Later I recognized he must have been more productive then Marylin Monroe

Greetings, Komtur.

If it's not a pour le merite

What is he wearing below his throat? Johanniter?

Kind regards,

Jacky

... it is a Johanniter ...

Thanks Rick and Daniel for the good news

The same person, "the granddaughter" of Schoeler, gave the following to the auction (and nothing more):

the above shown bar,

a pour le m?rite,

a star REO 2nd class with Oakleaves and swords,

a box of a Princely Hohenzollern Honorary Commanders Cross with swords,

a Bavarian Military Merit Order 2nd class with swords,

a W?rttemberg Frederick Commader with star and swords,

and two EK1 WW1

that fits to the information of Daniel , please tell me, what is your source ?

with regards, Komtur.

If you want I can make you a copy of his actual SMK roll entry.

Generalleutnant Roderich von Schoeller, ferner kommandierender General VIII. Armeekorps 30.5.17.

The page reference number is 52-B (so I can find it again).

it would be nice, if I could get a copy

Hi David,

I?m afraid it?s not really helpful, but I got this foto with the bar. If the bar is from Roderich von Schoeler it could be dad August with young Roderich ?

The SMK, DA and Centennial are confirmed. It is interesting that the China medal NK is not list in his DOA entry. The other awards are hard to confirm.

Thanks Paul!

Means "SMK" the "Sachsen-Meiningen Ehrenzeichen f?r Verdienst im Kriege" ? Where is that confirmed?

The China medal NK not listed in his DOA entry is odd. But as he was 1899-1905 in the Kriegsministerium it is a possible award to him.

Stammliste des 2. Garde-Regiments zu Fu?:

Generalleutnant Roderich Felix August von Schoeler (1862-1935)

02.08.14-30.04.16 Generalintendant des Feldheeres bei der OHL

01.05.16-03.10.16 Kommandeur der 20.Infanteriedivision

03.10.16-12.12.16 stv. preu?ischer Kriegsminister

12.12.16-11.05.17 Kommandeur der 11.Infanteriedivision

11.05.17-11.11.18 Kom. General des VIII.Armeekorps

30.6.1918 PLM

Rangliste 1887

Seconde-Lieutnant v. Sch?ler, 4. Garde-Regiment zu Fu?, kommandiert zur Dienstleistung zur Gewehr- und Munitions-Fabrik in Spandau

Rangliste 1904

Major v. Sch?ler, Versorgungs- und Justiz-Departement, 2. Versorgungsabteilung, RAO 4. Klasse, KO 3. Klasse

Ordensalmanach 1908/9

Oberstleutnant, Kommandeur des Landwehrbezirks III, Berlin W., Eisenacherstr. 113, geboren Trier 3.8.1862, Mecklenburg Greifenorden Ehrenkreuz, Preu?en RAO 4. Klasse, KO 3. Klasse, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz, Zentenarmedaille.

Rangliste 6.5.1913

Generalmajor, Kommandeur 1. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade, RAO 3. Klasse mit Schleife, KO 2. Klasse, Johanniterorden Ehrenritter, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz, F?rstlich Hohenzollernsches Ehrenkomturkreuz

Ehrenrangliste 1914 (1926)

1914 Generalmajor, Direktor des Armee-Verwaltungs-Departements und stellvertretender Bevollm?chtigter zum Bundesrat des deutschen Reiches. Im Kriege zuletzt F?hrer des VIII. Armeekorps, Generalleutnant a.D.

Geile Ordensverleihungen im Milit?r-Wochenblatt

RAO 2. Klasse mit Schwertern und Eichenlaub am 10.2. 1916 an Generalmajor von Sch?ler

Kommandeur Gruppenkommando 2 der Reichswehr

7.8.1919-30.9.1920 General der Infanterie Roderich von Schoeler

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I got this bar a year ago. The auctioneer told me after the auction it belongs to Generalleutnant Roderich von Schoeler (he said it was given to him by the granddaughter of Schoeler). I?m always suspicious to such oral information, especially when there is no possibility to contact the informant.

I?ve got a lot of details about his career and his decorations before 1914 (e.g. by ranklists, Stammliste des 2. Garde-Regiments zu Fu?, an article about Schoeler in "Die Ritter des Ordens pour le m?rite" by M?ller-Witten").

The single decorations of the bar are:

Eisernes Kreuz, 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 1909)

Offiziersdienstauszeichnung f?r 25 Jahre (OEK 1970/1)

Chinadenkm?nze f?r Nichtkombattanten Silber (OEK 3151)

Zentenarmedaille (1965/1)

Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 1352)

Braunschweig, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 634)

Sachsen-Meiningen, Ehrenzeichen f?r Verdienst im Kriege (OEK 2717)

Schaumburg-Lippe, Kreuz f?r treue Dienste 1914 (OEK 1256)

Lippe-Detmold, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1914 (OEK 1190)

Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 651)

L?beck, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 1265)

T?rkei, goldene Liakatmedaille mit Schwertern

1.) Is there evidence by any roll of these decorations, that Schoeler got them?

2.) Wich other orders he got in WWI (except the pour le m?rite and the 2.class of the REO with swords and oak leaf documented in the "Milit?r-Wochenblatt" by Geile)

3.) Can someone show a better pic of Schoeler (especially with his bar )

Greetings, Komtur.

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Thank you Glenn for the heroic work of copying the "Stammliste der KWA"

As a little gift for you the former owner of your book (see page 1 "aus dem Nachla? von O.G.A. Dr. Gro?heim"):

... (part 1), the same source as mentioned above (Schickert)

... and some more information about Grimm (part 1)

Would you know any possible source for a picture of the good doctor?

Here you are:

Schickert 1895, "Die Milit?r?rztlichen Bildungsanstalten von ihrer Gr?ndung bis zur Gegenwart" Verlag Mittler&Sohn; The original is hard to find (I have one ), but there is a reprint of 1986 you can get easy e.g. on Abebooks.de.

Greetings, Komtur.

Hey Komtur, eine richtig tolle Spange.

And a pure Prussian bar of a poor Prussian (or as they told to be only thrifty)

That?s a Godet Logo on a case of a medal bar. The bar is after 1917.

the whole bar

the back (with the original matt surface)

These fakes were raised by a German collector on a German Forum. I thougt I had some comparison pictures but cannot find these at the moment. If some else please might help?! Sorry again, but it isn't my fault - if I'm right at all ...

Can?t help with pics of the above mentioned copies, but as some experienced collectors told me, this is an original of the time:

the front (later newly varnished)

Very nice bar indeed... it looks even better now!

Yes, I?m really glad with it. It is quite similar to the one you catched before my nose on the last Thies-auction

some more details

some details

the back

Just remember Standard Operating Procedure--

if anybody finds him, do not post the name before the auction is OVER.

I do think it is identifiable because there are NO OTHER medal bar grade awards from before the war on here. He was "pure Prussian."

The auction is over, and the pure Prussian is back home again. Unfortunately I havn?t got a clue of the Standard Operating Procedure

So I need your help great masters of the rolls . I?m happy with this bar, but I?ll be more happy with a name to it. If someone want to send me to haeven, please find out, he was someone of the imperial medical service

With regards, Komtur.