Komtur

The picture seems to be from 1913 (Friedrich von Ilberg)

With the Kaiser and Harnack:

Oberstallmeister Ernst August Graf von Wedel

11 hours ago, ccj said:

Nice photos, who’s the senior officer

The granduke Friedrich August with his wife having tea with their dentist Prof. Bruck and his wife.

The story of Dieckmann is told here ?

Bayern, Orden des Hl. Michael, 4. Klasse mit der Krone

Thank you for the kind words!

But to be true, it wasn´t the whole story ?

The rules opened a possibility to award only the single ribbon to a decoration, one still had, if the kind of ribbon was higher ranking in the question of bravery.

This was a rarely used possibility and it seems to me very unlikely, to retrace such a procedure afterwards.

But it was:

Paul Dieckmann got his Crown Order 4th class with swords on the 2nd November 1905 because of his position as a military veterinary surgeon initial on the white ribbon (with black stripes). But his later merits has been so brave, that he got a separate black war ribbon to his order on 7th December 1907.

This medal bar and the fitting miniature chain came without a name. But the combination of orders and medals, especially because of the very scarce Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross on the noncombattant red ribbon for service in the colonies, is suitable only to him:

4 hours ago, David M said:

Thanks! Was that the only brotger mentioned?

Yes.

1 hour ago, chuck said:

Please excuse me if this is sill but would not the cross be on  a white and black war ribbon for noncombatants? Which was very infrequently awarded. Their is a very good article (in German) on the topic. Their are very few awards of the Crown Order 4th Class on the white and black ribbon with only 19 in the colonial period and 1 in WW1. ...

These questions are not silly, because the rules for the different ribbons on Prussian decorations are quite sophisticated.

No problem is the normal or official ribbon, e.g. the light blue one for the Order of the Crown.

Then you have the so called war ribbon, black with white stripes on both sides. These were normally handed out with orders with swords. Compared with the normal ribbon, war ribbons are scarce.

Very scarce are, as you´ve mentioned, the white ribbon with black stripes on both sides. These were given out to decorations with and without swords. These combinations got e. g. military officials and military medicals for there merits in war time. More about these, you find in the article, you´ve linked above.

Incredible scarce, but not impossible, are awards of Prussian decorations without swords but on the so called war ribbon. I have currently no numbers, but I am quite sure, Daniel can assist in this question.

Finally it make no sense, to invest in a single prussian order without swords but with a black war ribbon more money, you would pay for both of them separately. Only the combination is scarce, not the single items and you will never know, when they were joined together.

The only possible connection between them, wich would satisfy me, should be on an medalbar. But I collect these for almost 20 years and can´t remember, to have seen an original appearing medalbar with this combination of ribbon and decoration.

Regards, Komtur.

2 hours ago, David M said:

... his you ger brother tge ADC to the prussian CP. ...

8 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

... I would be grateful for any information you can find. ...

Here you are.

Staatshandbuch 1914 and 1918:

Prof. Walter Bruck

7 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

 ... except for the cross (with crown?) between EK II and LD2. I hope you can help me out. ...

 

Kreuz für Kriegshilfsdienst

Here is a portrait with some of his decorations:

Handbuch für den Königlich Preußischen Hof und Staat für das Jahr 1918:

This could be of some help:

43 minutes ago, GdC26 said:

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/2-uncategorised/68-impressum.html

https://www.armeemuseum.de/de/service/ansprechpartner/dr-ansgar-reiss.html

I'm pretty sure that if you e-mail them they will write back.

You could also directly contact Dr. Frank Wernitz. He is additionally a member of the scientific advisory council of the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Ordenskunde.

7 minutes ago, VtwinVince said:

Looks good except for a replaced suspension ring.

Hm, isn´t this the typical one for that decoration

Found today on a Berlin cemetery.

36 minutes ago, Deutschritter said:

Maybe he received the RAO I. Klasse 1911 as he retired?

He didn´t.

On 25/11/2020 at 03:42, Deutschritter said:

Here is what I have on Truppel, if you have any more or exact dates of his awards, please let me know, I woulld be grateful ...

BTW you can search for awards here: Reichsanzeiger

According to the Könglich Preußische Ordenliste 1905 both von Schuckmann got the Red Eagle Order 2nd class with Oak Leaves: Hugo 18.01.1900 and Oskar 18.01.1901. None of both is there listed with the star.

3 hours ago, David M said:

Because there is no grandcross, right?

There is the Großkomturkreuz and the Stern der Großkomture, classes quite similar to a grandcross. But the Hausorden von Hohenzollern (1. Abteilung) has some anomalies. Whereas most of the grandcross (or first) classes of German orders belong of both, cross and star, the Großkomturkreuz and the Stern der Großkomture des Hausordens von Hohenzollern were single awards. Indeed the single Stern der Großkomture often was awarded after the Black Eagle Order.

4 hours ago, David M said:

I do believe the star of the HoH2a is sixpointed

Indeed.

Could you please show us this extraordinary portrait in high resolution without the red ring marking the St.Stanislaus star?

Thanks in advance,

Komtur.

39 minutes ago, GdC26 said:

... possible that Schmidt wore the St. Stanislaus second class cross on his bar, rather than at the neck. ...

Bingo!

Very strange! I´ve never seen that before ...