Alex K

part 2

I am reading a book by a gentleman named AA Payne LRCP,MRCS, entitled ?British and Foreign Orders War Medals and Decorations awarded to the Army and Navy?.

This is basically a catalogue of his medal collection which comprised of 2500 medals!

Mostly British but a high quantity of foreign decorations and is 800 pages long

These include amongst others 108 Naval General Service Medals 1793-1840 ranging from 1 clasp to 5 clasps + boat service (All catalogued)

Uncountable Waterloo and Military general Service Medals from 1-15 bars, and similar Army of India medals! (again catalogued)

Plus numerous quantities of other campaign medals. (catalogued)

To me the interesting point is the two following comments written in his book

Copies attached.

The whole point of this is that this book was written in 1911 !!

What chance do people have nearly a hundred years later when it comes to medal collecting, he admits that he had ?200 UKP worth of forgeries in his collection (1911 remember), that must have bought a whole lot of fakes In those days, I wonder where these forgeries ended up??

And we think we have problems with modern forgeries!

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I stand corrected, it is a Potez

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Thanks for the link. It does indeed say that they run parallel to each other so are infact two and not one, with two divisions as I had previously thought.

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Alex

Interesting that, I never realised that they were to distinct orders

thanks for the info

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Hi Carol I Thanks for the information, I didn't realise that it was latin, I just assumed that it was cyrillic.

I thought that the order of merit came in two distinct versions, a civil and a military, the crosses being the same basic shape, but different colour and the addition of swords for the military version.

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Alex K

Lukascz i don't know if this helps

but regards

Alex

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...l%3Den%26sa%3DN

Hi everyone very interesting, I must admit that I've never seen these conversions before, had I not have seen this post any cross looking like the ones posted that I may have come across, I would have dismissed as something produced by a biker in a silver plated M35 german helmet!!

you live and learn, very informative post

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Alex

medal 2

Medal

name

Hi Rick just noticed this posting, nice piece of paperwork and interesting to see, Is that his real name?

the reason for sticking my nose in is that I have the Attached document and decoration which matches yours, albeit different grade and period. The reason for my question is that unfortunately my knowledge of the cyrillic alphabet is more or less non existent now, although my father and grandfather etc came from that way. can you or someone you know translate the name of the person to whom this was awarded?

The actual document is, as you have said in your posting much to large for my scanner so I've had to scan two halves and post edit them together thats why I've also attached the name which may not be to clear on the full document.

Are there any records of these awards and as to why the recipient may have received them?

The decoration itself is of extremely fine quality but as yet I havn't found a maker mark, the ribbon is original together with a modern replacement, unfortunately no case.. my embossing in contrast to yours shows the civil version of the order

any help greatly appreciated technically I suppose I should have put this in the central European form as its neither Austrian or hungarian!

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Hi guys my moneys on an Avro Manchester, the earlier and smaller version of a lancaster, or possible a Hudson

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...l%3Den%26sa%3DG

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Alex

Hi Tony a question, you say that the medal on the left is to T E Peacock and that he wasn't entitled to it, If it is named on the back, I assume its either a rename or a blank named with him?

Secondly the picture in the book from Taprell Dorling without the Nov date may just be a printing thing. The 1983 version of their book "Ribbons and Medals" makes no reference to a star without the nov date and the only pictures shown are 1914 and 1914-15 stars with nov date

It makes me think that either they knew the basic shape of the star but were without for whatever reason full date details, since the time between approval and actually making and presenting the medal may have been considerable, or just that the Typesetter missed it off, IMO

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Alex

IMHO its a fake, the pin just isn't right, and as mentioned there is an awful lot of this stuff coming out from Russia and Poland etc, never seen an original 1935 ek1 stamped 800

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Jeff thanks for the info

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Alex

Hi Christophe very moving and an impressive place, it is edifying to think that countries build specific memorials to their countrymen who fell defending their country and beliefs, to me in this situation it doesn't really matter if they are original or repro, the message of so many medals on display seems to highlight the numbers of people involved.

However If I put my medal collectors hat on, it is has bit of a "Wow" factor to it

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Alex

Hi, don't know if this is the right place to post this, so if not could the moderator please move or delete.

I was having a rummage in my box of "Things long forgotten" and came across this. It was given to me if memory serves correctly by the brother of a soldier that served there at the time.

Are these collectible or is it just a quirky curio, BTW never been used

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Alex

Would you replace the ribbons or prefer to keep like they are

BTW any chance these could be original ribbons

Hi Ed I agree with other comments, fantastic collection

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Alex

Thats a pretty awsome colletion you have, its difficult to tell from the photo, but are the ribbons original watered silk or the later replacements? they do to me look like watered originals? Indian recipients is a long ignored field, when you consider that they formed a vital part of the overall strength of the British forces involved in the first and second world wars

Brian I think the important thing here is, and personally I think you should be congratulated from rescueing these, most collectors or dealers may have looked at them and thought what a load of junk and they may well have ended in the trash can. Your keen eye for something different has indeed saved them, additionally the guy who's original medals they were and possibly the guy that changed them have not been consigned to the dustbin of history and forgotten, Hope you find more info on this interesting pair

good luck

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Alex

Funnily enough I quite like, them, they're certainly different and add a little bit of additional interest to your collection

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Alex

Hi Ed, Thanks, your'e quite right of course, this is where British medals, early ones at any rate score over other countries, they were named which gives the opportunity to find out to some degree what these guys went through.

You're also quite right that replacement ribbons for these are not the best quality, the originals being "Watered", I do however have the originals to these medals, which are in quite a good condition. My "Thing" is to mount some medals in frames for display, and to make them look "Pretty" I tend to change the ribbons, just my personal preference

example attached

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Alex