freiherr

This is slightly better resolution. What were the 2 bruststerne above the St Andrew now?

Over the sash/belt, we see both the St Andrew and the Weißer Adler

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Freiherr

What superb pics you are showing! I am especially interested in the Tsar's decoration in 1913 in Berlin with King George V. The Tsar was Chef and in the uniform of Kaiserlich HR 8. There were 4 breast decorations here. #1 (NW) was unfortunately blurry. #2 (NE) was either St Andrew or Greek Erlöser (maternal uncle was George I of Greece). #3 (S) was definitely Order of the Garter. What was #4? I see this same award on the internet. Of course, the coloring doesn't have to be correct. The other German decorations in the 1913 pic were standard fare: SAO with Collane, RAO neck order and Hohenzollern Hausorden neck decoration

For comparison, I attach Nicolas II in naval uniform with Order of the Garter, St Andrew and Greek Erlöser.

Then another wonderful pic of him with Order of the Garter during very formal occassion when the Collane was worn with "Big George" the pendant, here presumably he was in British Hussar uniform.

Last but not least, for risk for being a bit off topic, King George with the Shah was wearing for bruststern Order of the Garter (N), Order of the Thistle (W), Royal Victorian Order (S). Not sure about E.

In the first post, as I am no expert in Russian medals, can someone tell me what the 7 medals were between the St Valdimir and the Dannebrog were?

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Freiherr

http://genwiki.genealogy.net/RIR_66

It's Hasso Otto

Elwyn

This was from RIR 66 Regimental History.

Of the three men Glenn gave more information on, I suppose we can rule out Hermann Heinrich Achaz ObstLt 01.10.13 R4r because Wegner had him as Kmdr of RIR 209 as of 00.10.14 (not that Wegner was flawless)

That leaves Hans Otto and Hasso Otto?

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Elwyn

Hi Edgar,

Hope you are doing much better now.

Man with Blood Order was Wilhelm Frick, Minister of the Interior.

Decker was definitely correct. But I think the other RAD GAF was Waldemar Henrici. v Gönner was much thinner and at least 3/4 of a head taller than Hierl. You can see the flying flag being related to Lippe Detmold. That would, I think, equate to something like GAU XVIII Niedersachsen Ost. GAU XVII would be under GAF Oßwald but I have never seen him before.

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Elwyn

Interesting that Hans [Anton Adolf] 1849 - 1904 had much in common with the more famous PLM and KM [Hans Karl] Adolf 1858 - 1928. They were both Kmdr of Leib GrRgt Nr 100, Chef of XII Korps annd Kmdr of 64 Ingf Brig. But Adolf was never a JgBtl Kmdr like Hans was. Adolf was also Flügeladjutant, Gen à la suite, Diensttuender Generaladjutant, Kriegsminister and military governor of the two princes Georg and Friedrich Christian.

Adolf was the nephew of Gen d Kav Oswald and son of Gerichtsamtsmann Georg Job. Hans was the son of a more humble Hptm Adolf.

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Elwyn

An even earlier pic as ObLt with Ulanen Rgt Nr i under the command of Obst Georg Krob

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Elwyn

The caption said Toboly which looks like is located to the NW of Kovel.

Jürgen Kraus's Handbuch d Verbände u Truppen d Dt Heeres 1914 - 1918 has IR 343 under Inf Brig 172/86 ID mid 1915 - early Jan 1917.

For a few days 11.02.17 - 15.02.17 it was detached to 1 Ldw ID. So GenLt Sachs in the pic was indeed Oskar in his capacity as Kmdr 34 ldw Inf Brig under 1 Ldw ID.

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Elwyn

Here's a blurry one from Die Woche 1917

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=180541&p=1650849&hilit=warburg#p1650849

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Elwyn

Excellent info. Thans for posting.

Elwyn

I don't think it was Faatz. He had some changing combo of the Anhaltisches Arbeitsdienst Erinnerungsabzeichen, the Golden party badge and a third badge all the time until he squeezed in presumably a WW2 EK1 in the extreme right side hand pic of three.

On the other hand, the man behind Hierl clearly had the WW1 silver wound badge, some Sachsen/Thüringen (?) badge and the Johanniter. That would be Löffelholz v Colberg. And yes, they sort of looked alike.

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Elwyn

What a fantastic picture. The man completely blocked by AH could be Curt FrHr Löffelholz v Colberg or Friedrich zur Loye. Löffenholz would normally be decked out with the silver Wound Badge, EKI and Johanniter in a straight line. zur Loye was always with Oldenburg outfits including his Gau XVI (Oldenburg) and would sport the Friedrich August kreuz and the Anhalt Arbeitsdienst Erinnerungsabzeichen. But unfortunately we could not confirm any of that.

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Elwyn

Indeed Herbert Bormann. He always wore his Anhalt Arbeitdienst Erinnerungsabzeichen. He dropped the silesian eagle after he was awarded KVK1.

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Elwyn

Not the best in the world... from some electronic copy of Die Woche ..periodically featuring EK recipients during the war. Only other GenMj Hedicke was GenMj Otto 18.04.03 B

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Elwyn

Are those pages? So we would expect to see the Pagenhofmeister?

Who are the two that look likeLord Nelson and/or Napoleon in a sea of pickelhalbe's?

Elwyn

I certainly enjoyed it thoroughly and that's only after learning from Glenn which way the sashes go. And Dave telling me Wilhelm v W from Otto v W. Incidentally, Wegner screwed it up -- it had Otto as GenAdj.

Interesting with the black flag. You also see Ludwig III wearing a black band you so often see but only after the start of the War.

Elwyn

I think Glenn is right on the money .. the man in Hussar uniform was ObstLt Hans Heinrich XV Fürst v Pleß. Here with RAO1 and presumably stern to go with it. In Rick's pic, he had RAO1 sash, just like WoW

Elwyn

Duh, I meant Fürst v Pleß and Graf Moy both had RAO1 sash

Here is Walther v W's entry in the 1914 handbuch. His sash would be that of BM1? Carmine-Blue-Carmine, worn on the right shower. He picked up the BMV1 mS during the war. You can see that in the Graf zu Castell Castell pic.

Elwyn

From 1914 bayr Handbuch ... so one year after.

Graf Moy had a lot of "stuff"

Elwyn

I think Glenn is right on the money .. the man in Hussar uniform was ObstLt Hans Heinrich XV Fürst v Pleß. Here with RAO1 and presumably stern to go with it. In Rick's pic, he had RAO1 sash, just like WoW

Elwyn

Wow, the Research Supercomputer on down time.... I can use/rent that for a million years.

Would say this was GenAdj to Kaiser Moritz v Lyncker. RAO2 sash

Hi Glenn,

That would make a lot of sense. I was very confused with your original ID to begin with. WvW only had a RAO2. But Graf Moy had a RAO1 so that looked like he was wearing.

Elwyn

Sorry, Rick. I have no idea it was yours. I would definitely have asked for your permission if I had known.

Thanks

Elwyn

This was discussed at the Axis History Forum and Glenn and Dave have kindly provided some expert ID.

The occassion was 50 Jahre Befreiungshalle/100 Jahre Befreiungskriegs and 25 Thronjubiläum v Kaiser Wilhelm so everyone descended on Bavaria on 25.08.1913.

In the group pic we can even see v Bothmer as Kapitan of the Leibgarde d Hartschiere with the over the top lion on his helmut. Up front on the right Glen had ID'ed the man as GenAdj Wilhelm Walther v Walderstötten. I assume the Bavarians wore their sashes on the right shoulder? (Anecdotal bling bling pics of Bavarian portraits seem to suggest so) But since it was the Kaiser's visit, those that had them wore Prussian sashes on the left shoulder -- what sash was WvW wearing? And how about Ludwig III's sash, different from the Ksier which presumably was the Black Eagle order?

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Elwyn

So we see the big wigs. FlüAdj Graf zu C-C as stated, der König, Militärbevollmächtigter in Berlin Karl FrHr Nagel zu Aichberg, Kriegsminsiter Otto FrHr Kreß v Kressenstein, GenAdj Wilhelm Walter v Walderstötten

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Elwyn