christerd

I agree with Kim, probably a Northern Star , here is a similar box to a Northern Star Order

When I was looking through an old thread I saw another NCO with "Schwed Schwert Order " but most probably this means

"svärdstecknet" or Royal sign of the Sword" , that makes it much more rare then an ordinary Sword Order!!

see here http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=46774&st=0

OffzStellw Hermann Solcher , from Bayern Inf Lieb Rgt

Christer

I might as well list the germans in the 1902:

Wilhelm Ambach "överbåtsman" German navy awarded 1895

Heinrich Friedrich Christian Jonas Preussian "sergeant" aw. 1899

Frantz Matern "Fyrmästare" German navy aw. 1895

Friedrich Wöhlbier "Musikdirektör" aw. 1895

/Kim

Super Kim ! I didn¨t know they even awarded this to foreigners . Very interesting I keep on looking in old "Statskalenders" really boring reading I promise But perfect to make you sleep .....

Andreas I send you a copy of the list

Beautiful Photo by the way

Christer

Hi Christer,

do You have some names from german navy nco with RSO ?

Andreas

Hallo Andreas,

I have some names to Navy , but It dosnt say which rank thay had when thay were awarded (all on the list are officers in 1918). I Sweden all awardedes with RSO was in fact officers , in 1850 a new class of the award (Sword Cross) was instituted to NCOs but I´m not sure if this lower class was ever awarded to foreigners??, The gold one is the RSO and the silver is the Sword Cross

if you send me your email I can

give you the list and you can see if you recognize any names.

I will update it regulary and the goal is to make a complete list as possible

all the best from Sweden

Christer

sometimes a story is long and neverending .... The book about Aeroplanes wich landed in Sweden during the war years , was paid in advance

but never came .... But I found the photo again after almost 1 year ! Yes I have to many things in my collection , quite clear .

at least something good at the end

Christer

Ready ! That is for now I have sent a list to Christophe , David and Daniel so far if anyone else is interested just let me now.

I will send updates as soon as I get some more facts , right now it is 537 names in the file

All the best from Sweden

Christer

What is the source for this Christer? I'm guessing some old "Statskalender"? You know that a couple are online here:

http://runeberg.org/statskal/

/Kim

Aha Thanks Kim , now I can find some of the older ones from 1850-1870 possible

I have just some Commanders 2nd class left now so this weekend the first version is complete I will mail it to everyone interested

Its very interesting reading almost every Noble German seems to be in there

Hold out for a few more days ,

Christer

The list goes on

Now I have all Knight 1st ( RSO) and Knight 2nd (RSO 2kl) ready oldest entries is from 1896-1898

Next is the Commander class Orders , probably ready tomorrow, ( Christophe I got 16 names on Saxons with RSO 2kl ,

and 15 Saxon names with RSO )

Christer

Hi Christer

how far back does your data go? I would be interested in any data you had on the kurhessian officers ( I have two who receipt before 1840)

Hmm , until now I haven't made any research on the before WW 1 awards , but the fist Sword Order was 26th September 1748 and it was 100 Officers from GenLt down to LtCol all Swedish at that time. Later that year 256 Majors, Captains and similar got the order making more than 350 Knights already the first year.

The Sword Order was actually only for Swedish military personal , but already in 1749 it was awarded to a foreigner

Then GenLt Count von Schlippenbach from Holland got a Commander class.

in 1752 there was 6 foreign commander class holders, but Knight class was awarded first to a foreigner in 1753 and 1754 Col von Stralenheim and Major von Stralenheim , Then it took 10 years to the next Sword Knight : Russian Col Boretinsky 1764.

And after that it took 40 !! years before an foerigner got a Knight Sword Order.....

1801 got Commander in Danish Navy Sten Bille a Knight Sword Order, Hessian Col Wildemouth 1803 , Bavarian Col von Reichenbach 1804 , Baden Col von Eck 1804.

It was only after the fall of Napoleon that the Sword order started to be more common among foreigners ,then over 200 Knight class was awarded to Foreign officers , 22 Commander class and 19 Great Cross class.

I am going to see what I can find on older awardees, probably everything is the Swedish archives , it just a matter of time to find it

i will be back

Hallo all , thanks for the interest , I´m just ready with the RSO 1st Class list in Excel 250 names , I have only the year of award no dates so far but almost every first name wich could be of help. Normally the list say Preuss,, Sachsen , Bayern or Würtemberg. No mention of Army or Airforce but Navy is sometimes written out

I will go on with 2nd class and the higher classes today , I don't know if I can enclose a exc file here ? Otherwise I send the file by email to anyone who is interested

Best regards

Christer

I dont know if its interesting but a lot of German Officers had the RSO and RSO2kl Knight of Sword Order 1st class and 2nd class

maybe it could be some help when trying to indentify a ribbon bar ?

here is a list over German officers and what year they got the award

RSO

von Abeken Hans Navy Com, 1905

von Abel Günther , Rittmeister 1919

von Arnim Joachim Hans Detlev, Navy Com Capt , 1912

Aur von Herrenkirchen Frithiof Wilhelm Rudolf Maria , Major , 1919

von Babo Lambert Karl Hugo , Capt 1919

Baltzer hermann , Navy Capt , 1918

von Barnekow Henning Marten Christoph , Preuss GenMaj 1902

Bartenstein Georg Ludwig bernhard , Preuss Maj 1908

von Baumbach Ludwig Gustolph Moritz , Preuss Col 1908

von Beaulieu-Marconnay Karl August Alexander Oliver , Preuss GenMaj 1907

Becker , Maj 1919

Beckh Albert Hermann Raimond , Bavaria Maj 1915

von Berge und Herrendorff Hans Joachim Lothar Hermann Maxmillian , Preuss LtCol 1899

Bertning Hans , Capt 1919

Bertram Otto Friedrich Ernst Richard , KapitänLeutn 1918

Blanc Eugen Ludwig , Bavaria LeutCol 1904

von Borcke Karl Ludwig Hermann , Preuss Col 1908

von Brandenstein Hans Carl Julius Curt, Col 1910

Bredenbreuker Friedrich , Preuss Capt 1912

von Broich Hans Karl , Preuss LeutnCol 1909

Buchholtz Carl August , Preuss LeutnCol 1894

von Buchwald Christian Gregers Kaspar , Preuss LeutnCol 1894

von Bulmerincq Ludwig Eduard Joachim , Preuss Capt 1908

von Burgsdorff Karl Georg Hans Leo , Preuss Capt 1908

von dem Bussche-Haddenhausen Clamor Otto Hans , Preuss Col 1911

von Bülow Gottfried August Karl friedrich , Preuss Col 1908

Böning Ferdinand Max Franz , Preuss Maj 1908

If anyone is interested I can continou with the rest

Christer

Just a very short question , in Wikipedia (yes I know that is not the most thrustworthy place )

It says that he got the Finnish Liberty Cross 1st Class , I guess with his time in JG 54 it would be a

real possibility but I cant find this anywhere else in writing and never seen any pics of him with a Liberty Cross.

Anyone know the truth about this ?

Christer

http://www.adelaiden...z-1226036060939

Try this link

Thanks Raz, its always great to know some about the man behind the medals.

Sometimes we collectors forget that there is a real story behind every one of

the medals and ribbon bars in our collection.

Your friend seems to have had a good life and now a piece of his history will

be conserved in a far away country.

Christer

Maybe , just maybe I found him There is at least a chance !!

I found a book called " 1. Westfälischen Feldartillerie-Regiments nr 7 1816-1916 " printed in Berlin 1916

and there is a list of all that got awards 1914-1915 so only one year, there was of course three more years but an NCO with a EK I should have been quite unusual ? In this book there is ( 1) NCO with EKII+EK I

Uoffz Niestegge award date 1/7 1915 . They doesn´t mention him in the book , but there must have been som real hard fighting in June 1915 ? I enclose the page where he his.

At least one candidate

Christer

Hi Raz0504 ,

The internet is fantastic , it really make the world small. Do you perhaps know what he did during WW II , and I suppose he was in Vietnam in 1960s ?

I think I bought the ribbon bars from Australia through Ebay last year .

And know they are in Sweden on the other side of the globe

Christer

A interesting thing is that he got the MVK x mKr Feb 2nd 1920 !! Acording to Ancestry.com

Christer

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2011/post-3473-0-09193800-1320927493.jpgHi all ,

Just wonder if anyone has a really early document to show ?

My earliest is to a Wilhelm Hulke from R FA Rgt 19 he got the FrontkämferKreuz 27th October 1934 living in Hannover

and doc numbered H 419/34 . Sorry for the very very small pic but I have the doc on the forum in another thread so if anyone want see a bigger pic I will load it up for you. :blush:

:jumping:

Great Pic ! And very well done to find this Gentleman in the ranklists

Christer

Hallo Sachsen ,

Yes it was bought on German Ebay three years ago, I will see if I can find out where the seller came from

I have never seen any documents or more photos and I don´t think there were any at the same auction.

Why I belive its from the 1934-35 period is because the 7th ribbon , that is the "Ehrenkreuze für Frontkämpfer" and was inaugurated on July 13, 1934 by Reichspräsident Paul von Hindenburg for those soldiers of Imperial Germany who fought in World war one.

So he was still alive in early 1930´s.

If you have any photos that you would like to publish here , you can mail me at christer.daun@swipnet.se and I will help you.

MFG Christer

fantastic! it is not often that à ribbon bar like this could be given à name, and it even more unusual that relatives hear of it

The bar was bought on EBAY some years ago, and is probably from 1934-1935 . Where it has been between 1935 and 1995 is à mystery. if you have more info about him I would be grateful to hear about it. Best erfaras from the north of Europe Christer

Thanks Jens ! Very Nice :cheers:

Hi Morten, very nice and unusual Photo, do you know what kind of weapons the Kriegsmarine had ombord ?

Like MP 38/40 , the K98 seems to long and heavy to have on a ship

Christer

Hmm , Cant help you with the badge , but a very nice photo with a vet wearing no less then three vet medals and no "ordinarie"

Christer

Aha , Thanks Jonas I thought he was from Västgöta on account that the Photo was taken in that part of the country

I better make a note on the back for Life Rgt Hussar .

And the Swedish Rolls are super ! first names , awards .... like a dream ( and no sütterlin )

Have a nice weekend all !

Christer

This unknown soldier is not as Heavy decorated as GenMaj Cederskiöld but still a interesting photo I think

He is wearing the Dolma a uniform for Cavalery troops (Husar) and belonged to Västgöta Rgt in the West of Sweden

this Rgt was closed down in 1927 so the photo is probably around WW1 .

Christer