christerd

Maybe this is a little offtopic? An wounded english soldier carried by four German POWs

But still an interesting card.

Christer

And here is three more medics in a somewhat more "frontline" Photo

Bavarians?

Christer

Hi, not a front line photo but a medic with EK II

Hope it fits into the thread anyway.

Christer

Thanks Rick !

You are right, that would be a possibility!

I have start to search the Finnish Generals during WW2 and they were "only" about 60 or so

(I have to start with something) trying to find out wich were in J?g Battl 27.

20 of the former J?gers were Mannerheim Cross Winners !!

It going to be a long dark autumn, with only me and old papers (my wife will probably take a vacation in some sunny place when I start to look through dust old books ......)

Good night from Sweden

Christer

Hi all !

Just want to tell about a new "mini" project!

I am going to try to find the man behind my long "navy" ribbonbar with Libertycross 2nd , 3rd and 4th class + German eagle order and Ehrenkreuz.

As he was a member of Preuss 27th J?gerbattalion I got about 2000 possibilities

Hmmm, BUT there was only about 1200 of theese fighting in the war 1918!

So from 2000 to 1200 , and 120 was killed in action so down to about 1100 left.

Now from research I found out that about 800 former J?gers become Officers in Finland after 1918!! So now down to 800 possible

Still to many, but in a book from 1943 concerning the J?ger Batl it is said that about 300 become Majors or higher rank. And 39 become Generals.

Much better with 300 than 2000. Now I have to start looking for Finnish officers who has been i 27TH J?ger Btl and in war 1918 AND in Battle of Tammerfors 1918 AND recived German Eagle order but no EK 1918,1939..... wish me luck

If anyone have any information about Finnish former J?ger officers I am happy to know everything you got

Christer

And some more, Swedish at the bottom with blunt thick needles

Christer

And here is some close ups !

Old 1918 style with screwposts

Christer

Thanks Ed and Rick !

I think you are right Rick about the 27th J?ger Btl most of the former members become high ranking officers in the Finnish Forces later. Have to see if I can find a list of Finnish officers who wa sin the 27th J?ger? Maybe it is possible to give a name to the ribbon bar?

Here is some pics of the backsides, hope they are ok.

Most are of the same type with long rather thin needles, but some older one from 1918 has screwposts

the ones with the thick blunt needle are often from Sweden.

Have a nice weekend all

Christer

Ribbon Bar to Colonel or GenMaj ?

Now we are talking !

Mini ribbon bar said to be used by navy personal?

Here we have a high decorated fighter fron three wars ! 1918, 1939 and 1941

1: Liberty cross 2nd class 1941? at no front service

2: Liberty cross 3rd class 1939 ( I am guessing here)

3: Liberty cross 4th class 1939

4: Order of White Rose Commander

5: Order of White Rose Knight

6: Com medal 1918

7: Com medal 1939 ws

8: Com medal Tampere 1918

9: German Ehrenkreuz 1935 (for 1918 civil war together with german troops ?)

10:German Eagle Order 1941-42?

Some high ranking officer in Finnish navy 1941-43? could possible have a 1 st class Liberty cross as well? If only theese ribbon bars could speak!

Christer

Interesting bar!

Now to something more difficult,

1: Liberty cross 4th class But 1918 or 1939 ? I would guess 1918

2: Libety cross 4th class civil 1939

3: Com medal 1918 with rose (for bravery I think)

4: Winter war medal wo s

Could have been fighting in 1918 got liberty cross then back in HQ or behind lines in 1939?

Christer

Here is the other one

1: Liberty cross 4th class w oakl 1941

2: Liberty cross 4th class 1941

3: Liberty cross medal 2nd class 1939?

4 winter war medal (swords missing)

NCO during winter war and officer later in 1941-44 ?

Here is the first of two very similar ribbon bars

first this one:

1: Liberty cross 3rd class 1941

2: Libert cross 4th class w oakl 1941

3: Libert cross medal 2nd class 1939 ?

4: Winter war medal ws

He should/could have had another 4th class Lc 1941 after the one w oakl, often you see

different made bars and I dont relly know the regulations for theese?

And yet another incomplte ribbon bar....

Why do so many finnish ribbon bars get separated?

I dont know how many half , like theese I have seen during the years..

Here we got a top half of something

1. Liberty cross 3rd class 1941

2. Liberty cross 4th class with oak leaf 1941 (for 2nd award)

3. Liberty cross 4th class 1941

Or maybe he did it the "less is more" way? and just showed his bravey awards and

not the commorative stuff?

Christer

Continuation War 1941-1944

Here is a guy from the coastal artillery 1941-44

1: Libert cross medal 2nd class 1941

2: Com medal Continuation war

3: Coastal Art com medal

4: Blue Cross

a ribbon bar from 1960 s

Another civil war fighter

1: Liberty cross medal 1st class 1918

2: Comm medal 1918

3: Com medal of Tampere 1918

4: Probably Aunus com cross 1919-1922 (how many did participate in this conflict?)

Does anyone have som info about this Aunus com cross 1919-1922 ?

Christer

And back to 1918 !

Sorry for the jumping in history, but here is a almost standard ribbon bar from 1918 period

1: Medal of Liberty 2nd class 1918

2: Comm medal war 1918

3: Winter war wo sw

4: Com medal for battle of Tampere

A fighter from 1918 still doing service in 1939 but not in frontline anymore.

Winter war 1939-1940 !

Here is a ribbon bar to someone working behind front lines but still risking his/hers life...

1: Medal of Libert first class 1939

2: Civil Defence Medal of Merit

3: Order of the cross of Liberty medal of Merit

4: Winter War medal wo sw.

A fireman? Airprotection unit ? maybe a female Lotta ?

Christer

More Civil war Ribbon Bars !

another second bar or just no bravery medals/orders?

1: Comm medal for war 1918

2: Eastern Carelia comm medal or Aunus com cross

3: Comm medal of Battle of Tampere 1918

4: Winter war medal wo swords

And another butchered ribbon bar

Well at leasy I think so, this must be the bottom half of a real fighters ribbon bar!!!

He must have foght in three or four wars ....

First the medal of " War of kindred nations cross 1918-1922"

Commemorative medal of battle of Tampere 1918

Ok, he was in the civil war 1918 and continued to fight in 1918-1922 conflict

and more, next medal is " Eastern Carelia commemorative medal 1918-22 OR Aunus Commemorative Cross 1919-22" I think its the Aunus cross

But the last one is " Lappland war commemorative cross" and that war was in 1944!

He was really a fighter

would be nice to have the rest of this bar....

And here is a veteran from Civil war 1918!

Liberty cross non fighters 1939 ?

Bravery Medal 1918?

Commerative medal 1918

Winter war medal wo swords

Probably to old to fight in Winterwar but doing service behind lines?

And now a woman !

Here is a Finnish "Lotta"

She?s got a Liberty Cross nonfighter 4th class 1939

White Rose order/medal

Lotta Sv?rd Cross of Merit (quite unusual)

Winter War medal wo swords

Highly decorated woman from the winter war, I havent got the numbers of LS Cross of Merit awarded

but it cant be a lot of them.

Christer

Well this is a German bar but I coulnd?t help buying it!

KVK, Ostmedal and most probably a Liberty cross 4th class 1941 (without the finnish device)

Christer

Here is a top bar of two?

Too bad theese ribbonbars got separated at some time,

1: Order of the Lion of Finland Commander 1st class

2: Order of the white Rose of Finland Knight

If he was a military guy (or she) he would have some more orders, could be an civil servant?

but a Order of LIon Commander class wasnt issued by the dozens exactly....

Christer

Here is an Swedish one

1: Order of the Wasa and Liberty cross 2nd class for civilian

Could be 1918 issue or 1939 or 1941 impossible to say with just theese two medals

Not many 1918 or 1939 civilian Liberty crosses where awarded and of cause most to Finnish people.

Next one is a little bit more unusual, maybe a doctor or nurse ?

Liberty Cross 4th class for civilian

Winter war medal wo Swords

Christer