christerd

Hi all,

I bought a Victory Medal thats giving me some thoughts .....

Instead of the usual Number and Rgt it only says 2.Lieut W Mancer ??

I cant find any Mancer at Ancestry .....

Could anyone help me on this one , is that unusual to be without Rgt No , or is he from some other part of the

Empire ??

Christer

What I can see of the scabbard marking it belonged to Infantery Regiment 21

Which was in Kalmar ( south East of Sweden) 1893-1927

Christer

Hi Paul,

I find a Dr Emil Gutman born 16.6 1877 in Cobutg Sachsen Weimar , could that be him ?

Looks like he spent the war at Res Laz Bamberg and Res Laz Wurzburg II only award listed is KLK and JM

Started as 1 year volunteer April 1st 1898 , and war service August 2nd 1914.

Christer

This cross is for sale but I really wonder if its real ?

They are really rare , and all I have seen was made of silver with silver marks , but this Cross

has no marks at all ??

Any opinions

Christer

And another one find its way home to me ......

This time a civilian 1939 4th class.

I love theese civilian Crosses

Christer

Yep , found them

one ribbon bar with six awards , one with four + one loose and one more with four + one loose.

Cant really remember what I paid for them in 2010 but is 20 $ including postage to Australia ok ?

just send me your adress and pay through paypal (my email adress ) herrsundtorp@hotmail.com

Christer

Here you go Paul

Christer

Hi Australia ,

Yes I still have the ribbon bars in my collection and I have no problem selling them back to the family

I think its good to reunite medals and other things to the original owner or family.

Just give me half a day to find them

Christer

Aha ,

Thanks Paul

Now I know what to look for in the " Finnish medal Bible" ( Janis Book )

Christer

I bought this medal but I´m not sure what it is

Finnish that I can see and 1881-1902 so before the liberation war in 1918 ....

Some sort of Army Jubilee medal ??

Hopefully its worth the 25 E I paid.

Any Finnish experts out there ?

Christer

Youré right Mikko , I mixed up two auctions , this one went in Auction 19 , April was Auction 22.

Even two years ago it was a super price for a object like that.

Almost like an Knights Cross with swords oakleaves and diamonds

Christer

Sometimes you wish you had a lot of money lying around ..... ( probably always )

This Finnish Liberty Cross 1st class without swords was sold in Sweden in April for ........ 2300 Euro

And few so few where ever awarded and this cross was given to Johan Mannerheim !

Gustaf Mannerheims brother.

at this price it was a steal

I dream on ........

Gentlemen , I think we have an answer

I have gone through a lot of data about Wasa Orders to Germans and comparing to Claudius list for 1912 German functionaries and found

exactly one (1 ) matching name.

Not only has he to be a member of the German functionary team in Stockholm 1912 , he also had to be young enough to go to war in 1914,

survive and get the EHK in 1934/35.

Dr Paul Emmanuel Karl Martin RWO 1912

If we only had the Braunschweig Honor Cross records , I tried to find anything at Ancestry but it seems that he havent been wounded.

The Fracken Spange fits well into his profession as a Dr.

I been searching on Ancestry for him and maybe found a clue ??

a Dr Paul Martin was living in Kantstrasse 147 , Berlin in 1919-1928 ( in 1928 he is listed as Regierungsrat) after that I lost track of him

A successfull cooperation between US and Sweden

Christer

And sometimes you find a real treasure

I found this on an auction with with bad pics , so I didnt know in what state it was .

But when it arrived it was just wonderful .... Finnish Liberty Cross III cl 1918 civil version

Only 221 awarded in 1918 and just 500 made ever !! I have about 180 names so I miss about 40

the collection grows

Christer

Arghhh It looks quite convincing after a quick look .......

I really hate these people ......

Christer

Hi Jani ,

That was interesting news , do you that the digitalizing means that it will be possible to do some reserch online in the future ?

Christer

Hallo Andreas ,

I don´t think there is a list of Liberty Crosses awarded to Germans , at least not open to public.

I have a ongoing database for Liberty Crosses and I have probbably all Germans with 1st, second and third class but

i miss most of the 4th class awardings.

But I will check this evening and see if I have your man in the list

I look through the few Germans with 4th Class I had ( 12 ) .... but not your man sorry to say .

christer

Without question Onni Kokko was the youngest soldier who was awarded the Finnish Liberty Cross.

He was awarded a 4th class 1918 shortly before he died in hospital after gun wounds he got in the battle of Tampere.

Onni was born March 4th 1904 and died April 22 1918 only fourteen years old, a tragic ending in a extreme tragic war.

He was one of 6261 who got the Liberty Cross 4th cl 1918 with swords.

Christer

Here is what the medal should look like

I totally agree with Peter , finding an replacement ribbon is probably impossible ....

Christer

This small simple looking medal is probably on of the hardest Swedish medals to find in connection with Finlands liberty war in 1918.

Its the medal to the Swedish volunteers in the Swedish Brigade , they where about 560 who entered war service

and I suppose awarded medals was about that number to,

This one is lacking the ribbon and hanger but they are so scarce that I bought it anyway

A small but historic piece to my collection

Christer

Yes , Paul has the answer . He had a Wasa Order probably in Gold wich was returned on his dead in 1930.

Christer

Claudius , I have about 400 names of Germans with Knight Wasa Order , so If you have a list of Germans with the Olympic medal I can check if

he turns up in my list.

Christer

This ribbon bar was sold in Sweden two years ago

about 1400 Euro , and look at the second order !!! 1918 Liberty Cross III class with Red Cross

ONLY 22 awarded .......

And nooo I didn´t buy it

It was awarded to Swedish Count Carl Birger Mörner , he died 1930 in my hometown......

Christer

Very Nice Hans !

Christer

That´s a true rare cross Kev !

Just wonderful, one of only 250 ever made , so I have at least 249 still out there to look for

Super Nice !

Christer