Ralph

Have the "Research Gnomes" published the LIppe Rolls yet? If so are there any copies still available?. Ralph

Glad to have helped - you have made a very nice job of the framing as well. regards Ralph

How many of the General Public would even know about the Knights Cross of the War Merit Cross - to the vast majority I am sure that the only one they would recognise as a Knights cross is that of the Iron Cross. Not sure if the program mentioned was meant to be historical Fact or a piece of fiction in which case it would only by a miniscule fraction of viewers who would note (or care) about this error. I think we could spend hours talking about the libertys that have been taken by the various film makers in depicting martial history Ralph

Some more ( including some familiar names) Heinrich Behrens 3rd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Sahagun & Benevente J.B. Hayward Medal Sales List June 1975 ?175.00 Heinrich Wunderlich 3rd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Sahagun & Benevente J.B. Hayward Medal Sales List June 1975 ?175.00 Christian Schussler, Gunner, Arty. KGL 10 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Albuhera, Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Pyrenees, St. Sebastian, Orthes, Toulouse Sotheby?s 30 June 1983 ?380, also in London Stamp Exchange List September 1983. Martin Kestner, 2nd Lt. BN KGL * Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Sothebys 4 Mar 1982 ?280 and again Sotheby?s 30 Jun 1983 ?380 Christian Metje Corpl. 2nd Hussars, KGL 1 Clasp Barossa Sotheby?s 30 June 1983 ?180 C.Dalling, Vety. Surgn 3rd & 2nd Lt. Dgns, KGL 3 Clasps, Sahagun & Benevente, Orthes, Toulouse Sotheby?s 30 Jun 1983 ?280 Friedrich Trumper 1st Line Bn. KGL 8 Clasps Talavera, Barossa, Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive Christies 23 Feb 1982 (est ?260/?300), Sotheby?s 30 Jun 1983 ?340 Ludolph Bening, Corpl. 2nd Line Bn. KGL 8 clasps (listed in a previous post) Sotheby?s 30 June 1983 ?320 Christian Brandt 1st Line Bn. KGL 9 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Sotheby?s 30 Jun 1983 ?380 Frederick Langwertz, Gunner ,Ary. KGL 6 Clasps Busaco, Albuhera, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, St. Sebastian, Toulouse Christie?s 20 Nov 1984 ?170

Some More The following are all from the "Ambrose Elson" Collection, sold by Glendining?s 25 Sep 1963 　 Martin Kestner 2nd Lt. Bn. KGL clasps Talavera,Busaco,Fuentes D?Omor, Salamanca, Vittoria .St. Sebastian,Nivelle.Nive ?68.00 Gabriel Leunig 3rd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Sahagun and Benevente + Waterloo ?34.00 G.F. Paschal Lieut. 2nd Line Bn. KGL, 2 Clasps Nivelle, Nive + Waterloo + Medal for Bravery ?38.00 Godfrey Tronier 1st Lt. Dgns, KGL 3 Clasps Salamanca, Vittoria, Toulouse, + Waterloo+ Hanoverian Service medal for 16 years ?56.00 Joseph Baumann 5th Line Bn. KGL, 9 Clasps Talavera,Busaco,Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca,Vittoria, St. Sebastian,,Nivelle,Nive + Waterloo ?60.00 Henry Thiele 1st Hussars, KGL 10 Clasps Talvera,Busaco,Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, Pyrenees,,Nivelle,Orthes, Toulouse + Waterloo (Named Henry Thieb) + Guelphic Medal (Named Heinr. Thiele, Cpl 1 Hussars Rgt.) ?120.00 The following have no Identifiable Vendor: F.Delen 5 Line Bn. KGL 4 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca Glendining?s 22 May 1963 ?21.00 Fredk. Hoper 1st Line Bn KGL 9 Clasps Talavera, Busaco,Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Glendining?s 16 Nov 1964 ?70.00 Col. Sjt. Christian Weiss 2nd lt, Bn KGL 6 Clasps Albuhera, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive + Waterloo + Guelphic Silver medal for Bravery + KGL Volunteer medal Sotheby?s 12 Apr 1978 G. Schlaeger Bombr.Arty & Lt. 5th Line Bn, KGL 5 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Salamanca, Vittoria, Sotheby?s 18 Feb 1970

Some More F.Degen, 5th Line Bn. KGL 4 Clasps Talavera, Busaco,Ciudad Rodrigo,Salamnca Glendining?s 22 May 1963 ?20.00 Hermann Ottens 2nd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Barossa Glendining?s 17 Apr 1964 ?8.10/- Justus Bode 3rd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Sahagun Glendining?s 17 Apr 1964 ?4.10/- Ludolph Holzhausen 5th Line Bn. KGL 7 Clasps Talavera,Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Salamanca, Vittoria, Nivelle, Nive Glendining?s 25 Nov 1987 ?330 L. Wuster, Sjt. 2nd Lt. Dgns. KGL 3 Clasps Salamanca, Vittoria, Toulouse + Waterloo Medal Sotheby?s 27 Jul 1979 Christopher Schulz 5th Line Bn KGL 9 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Sotheby?s 21 Mar 1979 Christian Ellperoth 1st Hussars KGL 9 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, Pyrenees,Nivelle, Orthes Glendining?s 22 Oct 1970 ?60.00 J.Riebert 2nd Lt. Dgns. KGL 1 Clasp Barossa Glendining?s 22 Oct 1970 ?30.00 also Glendining?s 25 Sep 1961 ?19.00 Henry Rahrig 1st Lt. Bn. KGL 6 Clasps Albuhera, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Glendning?s 22 Oct 1970 ?36.00 Heinrich Bernack 2nd Lt Bn KGL 4 Clasps Albuhera, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian Glendining?s 22 Oct 1970 ?29.00 Christian Kemmena 2nd Line Bt. KGL 9 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuente D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Glendining?s 22 Oct 1970 ?35.00 E.C. Roderwald 1st Hussars KGL 4 Clasps Talavera, Salamanca, Vittoria, Toulouse Sotheby?s 28 Feb 1985 ?180 Herman Orthens 2nd Hussars KGL 1 Clasp Barossa Glendining?s 17 Mar 1982 H. Hillman 1st Lt. Bn KGL 1 Clasp Albuhera + Waterloo Medal Glendining?s 30 Jun 1982 Eckhard Bohne 2nd Lt. Bn KGL 4 Clasps Albuhera, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian Glendining?s 6 Oct 1982 Ludolph Benning, Corp. 2nd Line BN. KGL 8 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive J.J. Beyer clasps Vittoria Glendinings 29 Feb 1984 ?140, again Glendinings 28 Nov 1984 ?160 P. Lerchenfeld 2nd Line Bn. KGL 6 Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D?Onor, Ciudad Rodrigo, Salamnca, Vittoria Glendining?s 24 June 1981 Otti Leonhardt, Sjt, 2nd Line Bn KGL [ex Robert Gould Collection] 8 Clasps Talavera, Busaco Ciudad Rodrigo , Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive Glendinings 27 Mar 1985 ?330 　 　　

Have noted Follwing : Gaskell Collection, Auction Glendining's May 1911 C. Sprenger 1st Line Batt. K.G.L. Clasps Albuhera; Salamanca; Vittoria; St. Sebastian; Nivelle, Nive In the Dr. A.A Payne Collection, (1911) following medals recorded: G.Meyer, Cort. 3rd Hussars K.G.L. (Later Lt. Genl George Meyer) Clasp Sahagun and Benevente J.J. Beyer Surgn. Brunsk. Oels Lt. Infy. Clasps Corunna, Albuhera Rudolphus Pringle, Capt. 2nd Lt. Bn. K.G.L. Clasps Albuhera, Salamanca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian C. Schlaeger, Bombr, Arty & Lieut. 5th Line Bn. K.G.L. (Later Major Charles Schlaeger K.H.) Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D'Onor, Salamnca, Vittoria L.S. Schulz, Cornet 1st HUssars, K.G.L. (later Lieut. Leopold Sigismond Schulz) Clasps Talavera, Busaco, Fuentes D'Onor, Salamanca, Vittoria, Toulouse Wilhelm Bergmann, 2nd Lt. Btn, K.G.L. Claps Albuhera, Salamnca, Vittoria, St. Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive He also had Anton Bartel's 10 Clasp MGS but you have details on that already

Hi Rick, If you have not seen it check this out - Collection of KGL Medals sold in 2003 http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive...9&action=Go

His record of service can be dowloaded from The National Archives site http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1

Rick, Amazed at what you found - Many thanks indeed for taking so much trouble in hunting through your archives and posting what you found. When I bought the medal I was told he was entitled to 9 Bars (according to info published in "Mullens" Roll of the MGS) but a search on the original roll showed 2 Henry Mullers of the 1st Hussars KGL , One a 9 bar recipient and my 3 bar recipient. Your efforts have proved without doubt that the 3 bar is correct and known in antiquity. It is, indeed, a small small world!! Ralph

I would like a copy as well. Regards Ralph

Rick, I have never taken too much notice of the prices in the MYB - there are far too many variables. In the 2009 MYB there is no remark about KGL MGSMs being worth less than others, only thatRegiments have some bearing on the value with 52nd,88th and 95th of Foot commanding a premium Ralph

The NA will give you a quote for any work that needs doing or you can get a researcher to do the work for you if you cannot do it yourself. Have a look at their website - I find the entry www.pro.gov.uk the easiest to remember. There are other things you might find e.g. "service records" in series WO97 for the early years (upto 1873) normally for men awarded a pension. Ralph

They are on microfilm at The National Archives, Kew. Sorted in Regimental Order etc - series WO 100 Ralph

3rd Part - showing his entry - Note there is more than 1 Henry Muller on the roll (Mine is #649 on roll)

2nd Part - Head of roll entry

The edge is impressed Henry Muller 1st Hussars, K.G.L. Have not quite got the scanning capabilities of other - see if this works 1st Part - Preamble at the head of the roll

MY only MGS - to Pte. Henry Mueller 1st Hussars KGL - on the roll under Name and present Rank "Capt. Hanv. Army" is shown which I assume means he carried on serving in the Hanoverian Army. Given that, might there be a file on him in the Hanoverian Archives - although with a name Henry (Heinrich) Mueeler it could be looking for a needle in a haystack?!.

I have a group with the Roumanian Order of the Crown and my research led to the fact that he was NOT entitled. However, in the course of my research found following: Confidential Memo 5th Brigade RAF " 1. Please submit to this office by the first D.R. on the 6th instant nominations on the attached pro-forms for the Roumanian Decorations to British Officers an other ranks in accordance with the allotment shown on the attached list. 2. The allotment is based on the Composition of the Forces on the cessation of hostilities. 3. An Officer or other rank who has already received a foreign decoration on the nomination of the Field Marshall Comander-in-Chief should not again be recommended. 4. With regard to those decorations which are for acts of bravery ,the particualr act or acts of bravery should be stated. 5. Although an allotment is given it should not be taken for granted that approval will be given to all recommendations submitted. amongst others this particular unit submitted Capt. A Mc.C. Wilson (my man) H.L.I attached RAF with following recommendation: This officer's work as Adjutant of my Balloon wing covering a period of 6 months has been of the highest class. He is at all time most concientious and devoted to duty. During times of particular stress he has not spared himself, even when most overburdened. He had not connection with Roumania, did'nt serve with any unit that went there etc.etc whcih I think does give some credence that the awards were distributed by the Allied Command without taking e.g.Roumanian service into account. Mc,C Wilson was subsequently awarded a MBE (Military) Ralph

Unfortunately have not mastered the art of close up macro shots so no picture of the naming available.

A group in my collection S/Sgt-Capt. J.F.Samson, RCASC

All awards of the DSO to British and Commonwealth Recipients were published in the London Gazette which is searchable on line. There are recommendations for Army awards searchable on line at the following site http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...amp;queryType=1 Ralph

From "Courage and Service" (J Blatherwick and H. Halliday) MERCIER, FS Joseph Pierre Guy (Can 2509) - British Empire Medal - No.2 Release Centre - Award effective 13 June 1946 as per Canada Gazette of that date and AFRO 660/46 dated 5 July 1946. Born 1 February 1919. Home in Verdun, Quebec; enlisted in Montreal, 23 January 1939. At No.5 SFTS, 15 October 1940 to 21 June 1941; No.4 Manning Depot, 6 September 1941 to 1 March 1942; No.1 "Y" Depot, 2 March 1942 to 24 October 1944; No.2 Release Centre, 25 October 1944 to 15 March 1946; released 6 August 1946. LAC on 25 January 1940; Corporal, 1 August 1940; Sergeant, 1 March 1941; Flight Sergeant, 1 June 1942. Graded as General Duties (23 January 1939); Disciplinarian (6 September 1941) and Physical Training/Drill Instructor (9 March 1943). Medal presented 5 October 1947. Flight Sergeant Mercier has shown outstanding ability in handling the transient personnel of this unit. He has a very high sense of duty and has given his best at all times in the interests of the Service. He has been an excellent example to the rest of the staff of the Release Centre and has contributed a great deal to the overall efficiency of this unit.

Hi Peter, ALL British Decorations come cased and Pin mounted. During WW2 the awards came in cardboard boxes rather than in a case but even then they were pin mounted. Certain decorations e.g. IDSM/DSO/Volunteer Decoration even have the pin as an integeral part of the award i.e. the top clasp always has the pin. Ralph

Case appears to be that of a British Imperial Service medal 1920-1939 era.