demir

I am glad that we are at the same wave length here, I really give great importance what you say.

Hello Mervyn, Mr Saral is still waiting a mail from him. demir

JH WERNER I don't know where I found the picture. Date turned.

J H Werner

AnotherJ H Werner, I don't know where I copied from.

This was posted by Tim B (GMIC)

JH WERNER owned by murat (GMIC)

Hello, Here are the samples of JHWerner TWMs with the date 333 on them instead of 1333. Regards demir

Hi sachaw, But as you know, for me they are all fakes sorry copies. On the other hand, why didn't we say anything about the date on it. It has the date 333 instead of 1333. :jumping:

I am still saying that the medal was not the problem but the maker Schwerin.

Hi Chris, I don't think that it has a relation with the Turkish Brigade in the Korean War. Regards Demir

Not Turkish

It looks original..

Hi, They do not belong to the belt. NOT NORMAL. I think somebody later added some ornament and had to pin it through those 3 holes on both sides. Demir

Hi Saschaw, This is the best I can do Thanks dmir

Hi, I recently added this picture to my collection and asked Mr. Saral's help to identify it. He said it is most probably Major Lierau, Heavy Artillery Group Commander in Anafartalar, Gallipoli, later Lieutenant Colonel, Artillery Commander in Palestine. He said Major Lierau wears the Otoman Artillery Officers' uniform and his collar insignia is exploding cannonball which means heavy artillery used in the forts. He also wears the Turkish War medal. I think he was also wearing the Turkish Liyakat Medal with crossed scimitars on his left breast. My problem is: if he was Heavy Artillery Group Commander in Anafartalar, Gallipoli and later Lieutenant Colonel, Artillery Commander in Palestine, that means he had been fighting actively in the battle field. So how come he was also wearing white ribbon with red or black on the sides ribbon on the second buttonhole of his tunic. Then there are two options: 1. This is not a ribbon belonging to either TWM or Iron Cross II, 2. He is not Major Lierau but somebody else (and who is he?) but even then whoever he is, since he has heavy artillery officer insignia and wears TWM how come he has white ribbon (if it is not something else)? What would you suggest? Demir

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This is 60 mm.

This is 57 mm.

Hello Uwe, It is a STL, there is no doubt about it, but E.S, I don't know. Regards Demir

Hi Uwe A far as know German awards manufacturers letter code for Steinhauer & Lück located in Lüdenscheid is: "STL" or "o" and LDO code is: L / 16 I have no idea what E.S is, sorry. What is the width of the medal in mm? Thanks Demir

So my question is: what is the make of the TWM in the second picture? 1. Is it S&L ? 2. or this is also S&L but the first one is again as Tim Tezer said; "I couldn't say whether they are Turkish or German made, as the tughra mark on the back has nothing to do with the manufacturer, other than showing that careless workers were employed in their shop" ? thanks demir

Hello, Here is a sample of a Steinhauer & Lück TWM, as Rick mentioned in his earlier thread "Steinhauer & Lück-- identifiable from their "strawberry seeds" enamel pattern and the "snail and Easter egg" tughra" . At the reverse: there is a pattern which is "in fact reversed - a mirror image. This is the result of what coin collectors refer to as "die clash"" as wisely put by Tim Tezer. In S&L location and types (lock and open) of the pins show some differences. OK. Please check the second picture (following thread) .... The "strawberry seeds" enamel pattern and the "snail and Easter egg" tughra is same also the white metal with thin inner lines covering the arms are same but the reverse; it is perfect, no mirror image. So my question is: what is the make of the TWM in the second picture? 1. Is it S&L ? 2. or this is also S&L but the first one is again as Tim Tezer said; "I couldn't say whether they are Turkish or German made, as the tughra mark on the back has nothing to do with the manufacturer, other than showing that careless workers were employed in their shop" ? Thanks demir