demir

Hello,

I deducted LIYAKAT from the word SEGA KAT.

It may be TARZ-I CEDID BUYUK IMTIYAZ because it was also known as:

"SADAKAT ve SECAAT MADALYASI" ( awarded for Loyalty, Valor and Heroism - Medal).

Still there is a spelling difference. In order to idendify it we have to see the picture.

The color of the ribbon of Imtiyaz is half green half red.

On the other hand,

From the Carbinieri web page I found out that;

Between 1897 and 1906 the Force was present on the island of Crete to maintain public order, to oversee the conflict between the Christian population against the Ottoman Empire, and to organize a local, efficient, impartial police force modelled on the Carabinieri structure.

Carabinieri Officers also organized a police force for the Ottoman Government in Macedonia from 1904 to 1911.

Gen. Cosma Manera was still a Major in 1917 (http://www.carabinieri.it/Internet/Multilingua/EN/MissionAbroad/ - para: 10 ) so he might have been a Lieutenant or a Captain during 1908. (Is he the same person because you mentioned Generals papers). My point is; if he was a Lt. or Cpt. most probably it was a Liyakat rather then Imtiyaz.

Best wishes

demir

Hello All,

I wonder if anyone can help me in correctly identifying what is the Ottoman medal the Italian General of the CARABINIERI, Cosma MANERA (1876-1958), received in 1908.

In his papers it is stated that he received the (testually) :

- Ottoman Medal 'SEGA KAT' (for Valour) 1908.

I tried to identify what exactly was the Ottoman medal received by General Manera but till now have found nothing.

Can you please tell me what is this medal ?

If you are able to exactly identify this medal, I please you to also let me know which is the correct ribbon (i.e. which are the colours) from which it is suspended. (better if possible - it should be to post a colour photo).

Many Thanks in advance for your help

Best Regards

Lilo

Hello,

It may be LIYAKAT medal. (If you have a picture it will be easier to identify.) The date on it is 1308 (1890). The date on the paper is showing the date of the document. The ribbon is red with green lines at the sides.

Best wishes

demir

Hello Great Dane,

The Swedish government authorized the dispatch of a 200-bed mobile field hospital. During the war a total of 1,124 Swedish men and women served at the hospital in Pusan.

They might have received the English version of the medal like the Danish as you mentioned.

The Korean War Page gives the countries involved in the War as:

(http://www.korean-war.com)

Australian casualties numbered more than 1,500, of whom 339 were killed

Belgium?s Korea Volunteer Corps (Corps Volontaires Corea) was comprised of 900 Infantry troops. Casualties 97 KIA 355 WIA

Canada; Altogether 26,791 Canadians served in the Korean war and another 7,000 served in the theatre between the cease-fire and the end of 1955. WIA 1,558. KIA 516

Colombia ; Casualties 146 KIA 69 MIA 448 WIA

Ethiopia furnished three 1,200-man battalions to the UN Command, beginning in June 1951 but only one battalion at a time. Casualties 122 KIA 566 WIA

France; During this period 3,421 French soldiers were involved in Korea. Of these, 287 were killed in action; 1,350 wounded in action; 7 missing in action; and 12 became prisoners of war.

Greece; 840 infantrymen of the Royal Hellenic Battalion arrived in Korea.

Casualties 194 KIA 459 WIA

Luxembourg sent a 44-man volunteer infantry platoon to Korea.

Casualties 7 KIA 21 WIA

The Netherlands 3.972 men served in Korea. 2.980 of those participated in the actual war. A total of 1360 men of the navy served in the Korean waters.

Casualties 116 KIA 381 WIA

New Zealand : a total of 1044 men were selected from among volunteers.

Casualties 31 KIA 78 WIA

The Philippines; throughout the war it contributed five 1,500-man Battalion Combat Teams.

Casualties 92 KIA 356 WIA

South Africa; 49 officers and 157 other ranks of 2 Sqn, all volunteers, left for Johnson Base in Tokyo prior to their deployment in Korea. During the Korean conflict the squadron flew a grand total of 12 067 sorties for a loss of 34 pilots and two other ranks .

Casualties 20 KIA 16 WIA

South Korea Casualties Killed in Action/Death: 137,899 Wounded in Action: 450,742 Missing in Action: 24,495 Prisoners of War (those returned from North Korea) 8,343 Total: 621,479 NOTE: These figure did not include the losses suffered by South Korean para-militia and police units

Thailand ; contributed the 2,100-man. Casualties 136 KIA 469 WIA

Turkey;

The advance party of the Turkish Brigade or Turkish Armed Forces command, arrived in Pusan on 12 October 1950. The main body numbering 5190 troops arrived five days later, on 17 October. Brigadier General Tahzin Yazici commanded the brigade. Colonel Celal Dora was assistant Brigade Commander.

Casualties 721 KIA 168 MIA 2111 WIA

United Kingdom;

• 27th British Infantry Brigade (Aug 50-Oct 50, redesignated below)
• 27th Commonwealth Infantry Brigade (Oct 50-Apr 51, HQreplaced by below)
• 28th Commonwealth Infantry Brigade (Apr 51)
• 29th British Infantry Brigade Group (Sep 50)

USA;

33,741 US Dead, 23,615 Killed In Action,92,134 US Wounded** ,4,820 US Missing In Action (Declared Dead),7,245 Prisoners Of War,2,847 Died in POW Camp,389 POWs known to have been alive after all U.S. POWs supposedly returned. (**Lightly wounded who were treated and released back to duty are not included in these figures.)

MEDICAL HELP

Danemark; hospital ship "Jutlandia"

India; a mobile army surgical hospital

Italy sent its Itallian Red Cross Hospital 68.

Norway; It had a hospital staff of 59 and administrative staff of 47.

Sweden;

The Swedish government authorized the dispatch of a 200-bed mobile field hospital. During the war a total of 1,124 Swedish men and women served at the hospital in Pusan.

Hello Demir,

what a nice collection. I would like to get one of these, if availble.

I prefer the english wording.

Do you have one for trading.

I can serve you with the actuell UN Missions.

Thanks for your answer.

Hello Elvis,

Yes I have, but if you are a member of ebay there are some on sale now. These are original issues:

UN United Nations Service Medal 1953 Korea NR (310122134575)

United Nations Korean War Service Medal NR (400031694170)

ORIG UN Korea Service Medal Campaign Medals Korean War (120379570268)

check these, if you can not succeed I will be glad to send you one.

Beware of the new ones like this one shown below, the difference is easy to see.

Best wsihes

demir

and the backsides!

Dear Terry,

You got a beatiful range of TWMs. Congratulations.

demir

What do you think? A suspention ring as well as a pin on the back? Cheap rubbish or the basis for the Turkish painted version?

http://cgi.ebay.de/Osmanisches-Reich-Eiser...%3A1|240%3A1318

Hello,

I think it is a Turkish type,paint long gone and a suspention ring added.

But you can get one with the paint app. this price.

Here is a Turkish WM for you to compare.

Best wishes

demir

Dear Mr.Demir ,

Thank you very much for your information and inspection.

All the Best ,

Avsar Ibar

Hello,

I mentioned the Hong Kong person "yus18" before, now the Chinese "chinacoin" is selling fake Turkish Commerative coins in ebay:

400027731452, 400027731255, 390027406463, 400027730448, 400027730305, 390027405930

For your info.

Best wishes

demir

Hi,

Now " cinare2006 " is selling "dursen51" s fake medals etc.

Also, fake Turkish commemorative coins are being sold by Hong Kong and Chinese people. They are selling silver coins as bi-metal colored coins. They were successful and get app. USD 450 for each coin. I wrote to ebay but as usual I got some automated replies .

The Hong Kong seller is: yus18

items in ebay are: 160311344928 and 160311345269

Best wishes

demir

Turkish Mint :

http://www.darphane.gov.tr

go and click : Commerative coins and price list

then click: Commemorative Coins No Longer on Sale

in the list shown please find the original commemorative coins of which "yus18"is selling as if original:

no: 220 year: 2000 Traditional Turkish theater

no: 237 year. 2001 İznik plate

no: 238 year: 2001 32.European Basketball

Hello,

Another fake seller in ebay is "dursen51" from Germany.

Demir

Hi,

Now " cinare2006 " is selling "dursen51" s fake medals etc.

Also, fake Turkish commemorative coins are being sold by Hong Kong and Chinese people. They are selling silver coins as bi-metal colored coins. They were successful and get app. USD 450 for each coin. I wrote to ebay but as usual I got some automated replies .

Best wishes

demir

http://www.darphane.gov.tr/english/madeofoutside.htm

Below from my stock , I wish to share another Shevkat Order with you ,

it is a very important piece , because this is the actual order which was photographed

on the Mr.Metin Erureten 's Ottoman Orders and Medals book page 289. " 3th Class Shevkat Order "

That photo on the book belong to this order.

Thanks Avsar for the useful info.

Demir

Ditto here!

A most fascinating piece of history!

Thank you.

Dear Friends,

You are all wellcome.

I thank you all for your interest in Ottoman/Turkish medals.

Best wishes

demir

Thank you for your comments. Are you stating that the information "In practice, it seems to have been used primarily as a campaign medal for the Danube Campaign early in the Crimean War" presented on that web site is incorrect? I was unable to find any other reference to this medal on the site although there do appear to have been Crimean medals issued to the British amongst others. However..... they are not quite the same.

Please forgive my lack of understanding in this area but I am not a collector of medals.

Hello,

This is one of the earlier Service and Bravery Medals, although there is a special Crimean war Medal,

according to Edhem Eldem (Book: İftihar ve İmtiyaz Ottoman Order and Medals History, page 139, pictures pages 149&150) this medal was also given to those British soldiers who were involved in the early stages of Crimean War (4 October 1853/30 March 1856); Silistre Castle Siege -Silistra town- on the Danube River by the Russians 14 April/23 June 1854 and on July/August 1854 Yergogu -Giurgievo-)

There is also a Silistre Medal dated 1854.

According to Mr. Eldem (page: 207): in the Ottoman document dated 14 May 1856; an order was given to prepare 220.000 certificates for the Military Duty Order of Glory Medals which were going to be presented to those Ottoman soldiers who fought in the Silistre,Kırım (Crimea) and Kars (another medal ) wars and soldiers fought in other wars.

Additionally, in this document it was pointed out that, on the soldiers' certificates who fought in Silistre, Kars and Kirim, these places needed to be mentioned specifically. Whereas, it was denoted that, for those who were to receive the Order of Glory, it was enough to mention (on the certificates) that they had (only) served well in the army .

Annex to this documents the amount of the medals were also given: Crimea: 60.000 , Silistre: 13682 Kars: 20.000 and General Service Medal (Order of Glory): 126.138 pieces.

So, it is a little bit complicated. If they received special KIRIM, SILISTRE, KARS war medals , did they also receive Order of Glory. According to the Official document no . So the British soldiers who received the order of Glory must have fought other wars (like above mentioned Yerğ?ğ? battle) which was stated in the official document . But he also says that they received the OofG medals for Silistre war (Town by Danube river).

So this is all I can say. Everybody received everything. Good for them and the Ottomans.

Best wishes

Demir

Gentlemen,

I recently had the good fortune to obtain some items from the family of a veteran. A rusty tin that had long languished in the shed of the veteran`s brother contained various prussian badges & pins that were a group belonging to someone who was a German veteran of the Great War. Also included were some Third Reich items & this medal that I knew nothing of.

I was able to garner some information on the medal courtesy of turkishmedals.net

"This medal bears the title in Turkish of "Order of Glory" because it was in fact a medal associated with the highest Ottoman order of its time. In practice, it seems to have been used primarily as a campaign medal for the Danube Campaign early in the Crimean War, and other recognition for which no other medal existed. While the participation of Turkey's foreign allies, particularly the British, is well known, few are aware of the battles fought by the Turks against the Russians early in the war. The Danube campaign was particularly costly to the Turks."

I made inquiry with Bosley`s for a valuation but was advised that they had not handled one before & suggested I contact Spinks. Spinks however do not do valuations without a substantial fee so I did not bother & subsequently have learned no more than that quoted above.

I thought that it may be of some interest to members of this forum. Although it is not within my sphere of interest it may perhaps be uncommon.

Hi,

This is, as you say, İftihar Madalyası (Order of Glory) dated 1270 (1853). Sultan Abd?lmecid era.

It is NOT CRIMEAN WAR medal. There is a CRIMEAN war Medal issued a year later 1854. There are 3 dies, Sardinian, British and French : La Crimea, Crimea and La Crimee. Please check the same web page you mentioned. ( http://www.turkishmedals.net )

The UNC and VG Order of Glory medals sell app. USD 150 in Turkey and they are easy to find.

Best wishes

demir

Hi Demir, this is fantastic . I though they both read "Asakir-i Sahane" (Ottoman Army or Sultan's Army) as well. My though was that the more elaborate script version (I call version 1) is the earlier type. Because, of all the buckles I have seen so far they are either one pattern all the other. Are you able to get your friend to look at this particular buckle version for his view on the translation:

with kind regards

Hi JJ,

This buckle also has the same script "Asakir-i Şahane" (Ottoman Army or Sultan's Army).

Best wishes

Demir

Attached is my poor effort! to illustrate the difference between script on Version 1 and Version 2 of the M1908 Turkish EM's buckles.

Having now reviewed the buckles available for display in the Australian War Memorial and the Imperial War Museum I think we can assume that Version 1 is the early type (there seem to be fewer of these about), and that version 2 is closer to being part of the massive wartime expansion of the Turkish army. Were we see more home made uniforms, and more crude examples of standard Turkish army issue equipment in use. I suspect as well, that the buckle text may also represent a style change in writing where the Turkish army is making a statement about being a different from the Old Ottoman court, and given that that the Army was under the rule of the Young 'Turk' Movement, this makes some sence.

Hello,

It has nothing to do with any "Movement" . A friend of mine who is also a collector read the both scripts.

They are both "Asakir-i Sahane" (Ottoman Army or Sultan's Army) in different pattern and mold.

Best wishes

Demir ERMAN

Hi Uwe, on one of the other current threads about the War Hero Musatafa Kemal ATATURK , there is a very interesting observation about the Gallipoli Star - being a High Quality version rather than the standard issue type. Avsar and Demir's research on ATATURK indicates this could happen:

"He got his Gallipoli Star , (War Medal) 11 May 1918 by Sultan Reshad , it was written on the back of his TWM , "Sr. Exc. M.K.P." (Mustafa Kemal Pasha) , and an interesting detail for forum members , it was J.H. Werner Berlin !"

Perhaps this helps, Regards JJ

Hello JJ,

I am posting 2 pictures of Atat?rk. In these pictures he was wearing a War Medal other then J.H.W. !

I am sure that high status receivers did not get high quality "private purchase" versions of the award, everybody was awarded the official version, but later everybody have chosen the one they like. It was nice to present him a copy of J.H Werner.

In the first picture he was sitting: in Halep (now Syria) dated 1917 while he was the Commander of the 7th Army under the Thunder Army Groups. (Although in the Atat?rk's Moseleum Museum the explanation under the Medal says that the medal awarded by the Sultan on 11.5.1918 OFFICIALLY )

The 2nd picture standing: while he was the Commander of the Thunder Army Groups (Turkish: Yıldırım Orduları Gurubu), replacing Liman von Sanders in Sinai and Palestine Campaign dated 1918.

But as Mr. Avşar İbar says he has a J.H. Weber also ( A better looking medal comparing the others) but in these pictures he was wearing a normal TWM.

note: For belt buckle collectors please check his buckle (picture below)

Best wishes

Demir ERMAN

Hi Avsar and Demir,

That is a very interesting observation about the Gallipoli Star - being a High Quality version rather than the standard issue type. I note one of our readers asked (on our other thread about the war medal) was it possible that this high status receivers got high quality "private purchase" versions of the award? And your research on the War Hero Musatafa Kemal ATATURK indicates this could happen:

"He got his Gallipoli Star , (War Medal) 11 May 1918 by Sultan Reshad , it was written on the back of his TWM , "Sr. Exc. M.K.P." (Mustafa Kemal Pasha) , and an interesting detail for forum members , it was J.H. Werner Berlin !"

Regards JJ

Hello JJ,

I am posting 2 pictures of Atat?rk. In these pictures he was wearing a War Medal other then J.H.W. !

I am sure that high status receivers did not get high quality "private purchase" versions of the award, everybody was awarded the official version, but later everybody have chosen the one they like. It was nice to present him a copy of J.H Werner.

In the first picture he was sitting: in Halep (now Syria) dated 1917 while he was the Commander of the 7th Army under the Thunder Army Groups. (Although in the Atat?rk's Moseleum Museum the explanation under the Medal says that the medal awarded by the Sultan on 11.5.1918 OFFICIALLY )

The 2nd picture standing: while he was the Commander of the Thunder Army Groups (Turkish: Yıldırım Orduları Gurubu), replacing Liman von Sanders in Sinai and Palestine Campaign dated 1918.

But as Mr. Avşar İbar says he has a J.H. Weber also ( A better looking medal comparing the others) but in these pictures he was wearing a normal TWM.

note: For belt buckle collectors please check his buckle (picture below)

Best wishes

Demir ERMAN

demir:

Did Turkish troops wear this medal?

British and American troops (until recently) were not allowed to wear this medal on their uniforms.

I always thought that was odd, because the similar Vietnamese medal was authorized for wear in 1965 I think.

Hi,

I don't know. I will try to learn.

Thanks

Demir

The Korean War Service Medal (or Republic of Korea War Service Medal (ROKWSM)) is a decoration of South Korea which was first authorized in December 1950. Originally known as the Incident Participation Medal the medal was first authorized to South Korean troops who had participated in the initial counter-assaults against North Korean aggression in June 1950.

In 1951, President Syngman Rhee ordered that the Incident Participation Medal be renamed as the War Service Medal and further authorized the decoration to any troops who were defending South Korea against invasion. In 1954, the South Korean government authorized the now called Korean War Service Medal to all United Nations troops who had fought in the Korean War between the dates of June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953.

Thank you all Gentlemen, for all your kind attention.

Best wishes

Demir ERMAN

THE KOREAN WAR AND TURKISH TROOPS

The war started between South and North Korea in June 1950.

Under the UN command, 39.000 troops served from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, TURKEY, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom and the United States. Denmark and Italy provided medical support only.

Turkish soldiers arrived South KOREA in 17 October 1950. They stayed in Korea until the end of the war (1954). Turkish troops saved American 8th Army from a big disaster and massacre.

There were 5000 Turkish soldiers any time under the 5th Brigade. 717 Turkish soldiers KIA, 2246 soldiers wounded, 167 MIA for the freedom of Korea.

The tinnie in memory of the 5th Brigade is shown below with the Turkish United Nations Korean war Service Medal

Thanks

Demir ERMAN

6. GREEK UN Service Medal for Korean War

7. KOREAN UN Service Medal for Korean War

8. THAI UN Service Medal for Korean War

3. AMHARIC (Ethiopia) UN Service Medal for Korean War

4. DUTCH UN Service Medal for Korean War

5. FRENCH UN Service Medal for Korean War

the SPANISH UN medal which I don't have

1. TURKISH UN Service Medal for Korean War

2. ENGLISH UN Service Medal for Korean War

Dear Gentlemen,

I would like to share with you my UN Korean war medals. I have all of the shown Languages except the Spanish and Filipino versions awarded.

I also would like to give some short information about the UN medal and the war:

Summary:

Under the UN command, 39.000 troops served from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, TURKEY, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom and the United States. Denmark and Italy provided medical support only.

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UNITED NATIONS SERVICE MEDAL for KOREAN WAR

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Service_Medal )

The United Nations Service Medal for Korea is an international military decoration which was established by the United Nations on December 12, 1950. The decoration was the first international award ever created and recognized the multi-national defense forces which participated in the Korean War.

The United Nations Service Medal is awarded to any military service member, of an Armed Force allied with South Korea, who participated in the defense of Korea from North Korean aggression between the dates of June 27, 1950 and July 27, 1954.

• Military forces of the Netherlands are awarded the medal for service to January 1, 1955
  
• The militaries of Thailand and Sweden grant the award to July 27, 1955.
  

The ultimate award authority of the United Nations Service Medal is United Nations Commander-in-Chief of military forces in Korea. Most countries consider the United Nations Service Medal an automatic decoration, if some other Korean service award was bestowed, and generally award the medal without requesting permission through United Nations channels. For instance, in the United States Armed Forces, any service member awarded the Korean Service Medal is automatically granted the United Nations Service Medal.

On November 22, 1961, the United Nations officially changed the name of the United Nations Service Medal to the UNITED NATIONS SERVICE MEDAL KOREA. This was as a prelude to the creation of a large number of subsequent United Nations Medals which are granted for various operations around the world.

Some countries, the United States among them, continue to refer to the decoration as the United Nations Service Medal in an effort to maintain consistency with older military files referring to the decoration by its original name.

Description

• The UN Korea Medal is a circular medal of bronze alloy. The obverse depicts the 'World-in-a Wreath' emblem of the United Nations.
  
• The reverse has the inscription: 'FOR SERVICE IN DEFENCE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS'. The wording shown may be in English, French, Spanish, Danish (I didn't see one) , Filipino (or was it English for the Philippines) , Greek, Italian (I didn't see one), Dutch, Swedish, Sanskrit (I think this is mistake instead Aramhic for Ethiopia) or Turkish ,
  
• The ribbon has alternating stripes of UN blue and white.
  
• A clasp with the inscription 'KOREA' is worn on the medal ribbon.
  

Now the pictures:(following this message)

first the box: Box is blue and the language of the medal is shown in the front right side. Left front side: UN emblem - in the middle: UN blue and white stripes like the ribbon

Thank you all

Demir ERMAN