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Hello !

I possess one. I've ever thought it is is a fake, but what do you think about ??

Height : 38,2mm

Lenght : 65,4mm

Weight : 26,83 g

On the back side : "K&M" on the low arm and "800" on the top arm...

Thank you !!!

Hello gentlemen's !

A friend just tell me he had received this one :

But what do you think about (the cross is wearing a 1939 clasp on the top arm) ?

Hello !

More modest, but I can now show all the family !

Thank you for your help !

Hello Gentlemens !

I have received this one today : Saxon honor cross, with swords.

But ribbon is not good : to me, it?s the ribbon of Saxon Altenburg ?Tapferkeitsmedaille??

Could this combination be possible (a recipient of these 2 awards ?), or is it a bad assemblage ??

Thanks and best greetings !

1st class merit cross with swords

2nd class merit cross, with crown and swords

Here is my 3rd class merit cross, wth swords and crown and a little bar with 3rd class merit cross with only swords

Hello Gentlemen's

Little history of the MVO

The Bavarian order for military merit was created on july 19th 1866 by king Ludwig II, for military services.

Two ribbons : whithe edge blue (peace) or whithe edge blue and black (war)

The cross can be awarded with swords for war merit, or with crown for exceptionnal merit.

Before 1905, classes were :

Grand-cross

Grand commander

Commander

Officier cross

Knight 1st class

Knight 2nd class

Merit cross 1st class

Merit cross 2nd class

After 1905 :

Grand cross

1st class cross with star

2nd class cross with star

2nd class cross

3rd class cross

4th class cross

Cross for military merit 1st class

Cross for military merit 2nd class

Cross for military merit 3rd class

I hope this will help you !

Dear Rick, I knowe is Off the topic, sorry, But I?m in a hurry, What German Sate bears the motto in their orders. "Per ardua ad astra"???

Thanks

Miguel

Per ardua ad astra ("Through adversity to the Stars") is the motto of the Royal Air Force and other Commonwealth air forces such as the RAAF, RNZAF, and the former RCAF. It dates from 1912 and was used by the newly-formed Royal Flying Corps. (source : wikipedia)

For german's states, Mecklemburg Schwerin house order device is "Per Aspera ad Astra" (="Through hardships to the stars") (house order of the Wendish crown), who is like-looking...

Hallo Noor.

Saxon - Weimar period:

Award for Womens Service in Wartime, Oval Medal.

Sachsen - Weimar:-

Banderkatalog: 2418: Ehrenzeichen f?r Frauenverdienst in Kreige 1918, ovale Medaille.

Kevin in Deva.

Sorry, but you're talking about Saxony-weimar award for womens service in wartime (oval medal), but it is not this ribbon ??

I post a photo of Saxony Weimar award for women's service in wartime (OEK2418) :

Not common at all. I can count on one hand the number I have ever actually seen....

Yes, sure !

I have bought the only one I have ever seen to sell !

Greetings !

This one :

not a common award : late creation (january 1918)

OEK 2416, Saxony Weimar honor cross for homeland service...

I know him and I?m afraid he knows

Yes, I don't have any doubt, but I think it could be usefull to know why !

Sorry, bud the RAO4 is a Copy.

Greetings Mike

Why ???

Can you argue ?

And a cross on non combattant ribbon ...

Greetings !

... and an another one, with a nice pentagonal ribbon (from my father's collection) !

Hello !

Here is mine, also cased...

This award has been established on 1870 (as Tom says) and has been reinstitued on 1918, november 18th...

The reason that there are two examples without swords and one with is evident when we compare the reverses. The crosses with swords have the inscription "kriegs verdienst" on the reverse while the crosses without swords could be awarded with or without the inscription.

I'd like to elaborate this answer :

According to Dr Kliethmann

The cross with swords is awarded for combattant.

The cross without swords and with "Kriegsverdienst" inscription on back side is the cross for "Verdienste im Kriege in der Heimat" (War merit toward homeland)

The cross without swords and without any inscription on the back side is known as cross "f?r sonstige Verdienste " (for general merit)

And finaly, a small classic bar :

1/ Iron cross 2nd class, on combattant ribbon

2/ Silver bravery medal

3/ Honor cross 1914/18

Gold Bravery medal, post war issued, in silver golded (stamped "800" on the ring)

2nd class knight cross of Frederic Order...

Wilhelm's cross with swords...

Wilhelm's cross, for non combattant...

Hello !

Some very classic, but I like it !!

Charlote's cross...