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here a 4 medal bar with sax-altenburg verion of saxon duchy merit medal in silver gilt has maker mark of neck but I can't read it ! I think this is proper swords for this medal unlike the other saxon duchies which had sword and date bars!

nice baden bar! Your dad likes his latest!!!!! I miss that bar aready !!!!

Hello I still have them!!!! been a few yrs !!!!!!

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here another one i like alot not anything to rare but very clean! saxon honor cross with swords mounted saxon style

hello' I thought same thing !!!!

well hope someone learns from this I know I did !!!!!

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see how other ribbons are same but crown order is not even sewn with old larger type white tread to bar but just sewn to other ribbons with black thread!!!!

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Hello Stogieman and Guys I was able to get repeat bar of without destroying things! I think repeat bar is real ! but as stogieman said not properlly done on ribbon! also I studied oak leaf I feel its ok but I don't think i can get it off without ripping things up! I went over all ribbons underneath (see pics) all are constant and seem to be folded identically and mounted on bar exept for crown order w/red cross device ribbon It is sloppy and is not even sewn into bar but sewn with black thread to red eagle order ribbon and LS award!and sewn into red wool back ! and black thread to tie down crosses were added as camo ! just tucked into wool backing ! I now think that the crown order is a good one but was either 1) was put in place of a missing plain 4th class Crown order 2)was missing ribbon and ribbon was poorly added ! would crown order w/ red cross out rank a red eagle??? and go first? or would it still be behind Red Eagle order My gut tells me crown order should be a plain 4th class!!!! and this was later embelished ! sewn to bar is plain crown order ribbon as a fastener not special ribbon! I would like to salvage this bar since I sold my other 1870 non combat bar to you stogieman months ago!!!!! and desided to keep this one!!! thing that kills me is why did i not see this before !! I guess I get blinders on and just because a got it yrs ago does not mean I should take it for granted it is is correct!!! check out pics and let me know if i should just pull off crown order or leave as is ! I think i will leave repeat bar off so not to mess up ribbon ! Tell Me what to do to salvage this bar !!! leave alone or remove crown order w/red cross device !@!!!

what does not belong I can't believe this is bogus! I had it forever ! I always thougt the crown order was out of place but never relly gave it a second thought! Should it be a regular crown order? should I remove anything???? I did go overboard a bit on other bar!!!! but you could tell after i opened it up all 3 came from somewere else!!!Holding this in my hand all threads seem same in my eyes exept red cross crown order !the red eagle has a diffrent color tie down as does the kaiser medal White and yellow compared to ek2 ls and 2 war medals seem to have same tie down color war medals have remains of polish on them! giving them apearance of a diffrent color! should i try to clean it off?? don't worry stogieman I am not going to go crazy and rip it all apart!!!!! just frustrated!!!! thanks scott

hello Thanks!!!! I will not cut this one up I think crown order is a good one and someone maybe replaced a bad ribbon or something The rest of the bar seems not messed with!so I am leaving this alone as is as I found it!!!! thanks Komtur for putting my mind at ease!!!!

well For other to learn from my mistakes I cut it apart ! I believe only thing original to this bar is the kaiser medal ! crown order is a good one but was a a add on as was fake red eagle !!!!! well i am learning a expensive lesson ! but when i got these there was no collectors internet sites! I owned this for 15 yrs i think when did they start faking red eagles???

well For other to learn from my mistakes I cut it apart ! I believe only thing original to this bar is the kaiser medal ! crown order is a good one but was a a add on as was fake red eagle !!!!! well i am learning a expensive lesson ! but when i got these there was no collectors internet sites! I owned this for 15 yrs i think when did they start faking red eagles???

so i understand the gold color is not right! it sould be a golder gold not bronze colored? guess i been burned a few times! should i cut this bar up ? is crown order right? scott

well that not good!!! guess i better stop buying bars and start researching better!

Stogieman I have been examing this bar ! I decided to rip up red wool back abit to look at threads underneath ! all are the same but for the red cross crown order ! I believe either someone repaired ribbon to tighten it up with other thread or switched out plain 4th class crown order for red cross one ! all other threads and ribbons seem correct ! I hated to rip this open but I needed to know! now what do I do pull off red cross crown order and replace it with regular one or leave it be ????? see pic what do you think! I thought I knew my medal bars! guess i need to study up a bit more !!!!!