Roman Slivin

LtdR Kratz

Then I doubt that that it Kratz. :cheeky:

I think that it Kratz. :unsure:

OK. Having been sent the description of this date bar from the huge (and insanely expensive) Nimmergut multi-volume set on German awards: 1) This "23.1.1916" bar was awarded to ONLY <b>29</b> actual living persons <u>all</u> in <b>Hessian Infantry Regiment 118 </b>(others went on the unit's flags). This date was the 125th jubilee of the regiment's creation. Three non commissioned officers, named by Nimmergut, received this as the sole enlisted recipients of the bar. 26 officers (not named) received the bar. A regimental history of IR 118 would--hopefully--contain the names of ALL the recipients, for a process of elimination to identify the owner. That being said, the bar does not match the example shown by Nimmergut-- yours is too LONG, and appears to have been affixed to the medal bar with little nails or something. This is where it gets TRICKY. With so FEW made, and no "benchmark" for what is and is not the 1916 issued model-- would we have any reason to think that a recipient alive after 1938 could not--or might even have HAD to-- have a jeweler hand make an example to replace a lost or broken original? But how to PROVE that? <img src="http://gmic.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banger.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="banger.gif" /> <!--coloro:#ff0000--><span style="color:#ff0000"><!--/coloro-->The ONLY way would be to find a list of all the recipients and match up this actual group.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> I like the fact that it appears to be a "cheapo" upgrade, sticking the Hindenburg Cross in without bothering to pay for the correct sized extended metal backing plate. But the combination is VERY odd. The pre-war Hessian Merit Medal, and Hessian XV Years Service Cross indicate an NCO-- but the ?M3K indicates an officer. The ONLY way this combination could be correct is 1) if Hesse continued to award military long service awards DURING the war (as Bavaria and Wurttemberg did)-- I have NO idea whether that was the case or not. 2) this NCO would have had to reach either Feldwebelleutnant or something like Zahlmeister rank to have received the Austrian award, AND 3) could not have had doubled war time totaling "XXV" years of service by discharge in 1920-- so never got the Prussian officers' long service cross. That is a VERY narrow, very specific, and "easily" eliminated category of recipients The complete roster of those entitled to this bar is shown in the IR 118 WW1 regimental history. After all, ANYBODY could have added a dodgy date bar to ANY Hessian General Decoration "for Bravery" at ANY time. What HAS to be done is to verify all the OTHER awards to determine whether it was even POSSIBLE for any of the recipients to have gotten the date bar on this medal bar. All regular and dR/dL officers can be eliminated immediately!!!! The three career NCOs who received the date bar can, with certainty, be eliminated as "suspects" since NONE of them could or would have been of officer status by 1918 to have earned that Austrian award. It HAS to--if not Frankensteined onto an otherwise original bar--have been awarded to an "officer" in the unit, <i>of Warrant or administrative status barely equal to a Leutnant.</i> Find that regimental histroy!!!! src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/beer.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="beer.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The full list of the awarded officers: 1. M. Lockemann 2. MaD Deuβen 3. H. Cellmann 4. H. v. Cappeln 5. H. Fendel 6. ObldR R<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--fonto:Arial--><span style="font-family:Arial"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->?cker 7. ObldR Bieber 8. Lt Hoβfeld 9. LtdR Reuling 10. Lt Stein 11. Lt D<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--fonto:Arial--><span style="font-family:Arial"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->?hle 12. Lt M. M<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><!--fontc--></span><!--/fontc--><!--fonto:Arial--><span style="font-family:Arial"><!--/fonto--><!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->?ller 13. LtdR Heiland 14. LtdR Schmidt 15. Lt R?nnberg 16. LtdR Wennesheimer 17. LtdR Lichtenberger 18. LtdR Jordan 19. LtdR H?pp 20. LtdR Balz 21. LtdR Henn 22. LtdL Lingens 23. LtdR P. Schlamp 24. LtdR <b>Kratz</b> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="cheers.gif" /> 25. Oberst M?nter 26. Obstl. Ffeiherr v. Bibra

I was late to order the book? :(

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Many thanks to all for the help!

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My friend has bought this award. But I had doubts in its originality. I am not right? Best Regards, Roman

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What it is possible to tell about this medalbar? Any opinions are welcomed! Regards, Roman

Infanterie-Regiment 463 Oberstlt. und Regts.-Kommandeur Laue (24. November 1917) Major und Batls.-Kommandeur (II.) de Rainville (24. November 1917) Hauptm. und Batls.-Kommandeur (III.) v. Schmidt (11. Mai 1918) Leutnant d. R. und Komp.-F?hrer (11.) Iosten (11. Mai 1918) Leutnant d. R. und Komp.-F?hrer (1.) Grosse (8. Iuli 1918)

Hello Karsten, I have some information: ?M3K V O. b. HGr. Mackensen/Res. IR. 205./preu?. Hptm. d. Ldw. a. D./In Anerkennung tapferen Verhaltens vor dem Feinde Regards, Roman

Erich G?rtner?

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Any opinions are welcomed! :cheers:

There are no problems Alex, I wished to show to you that the new Russian award continues tradition of an award of St. Olga which has been founded in 1915 :cheers:

Before to do such comparisons, it is necessary to study attentively materials.

The state pays for the second child 300.000 rubles ($9,780). If in a family 3 children the state will pay to parents of 600.000 roubles ($19,560) etc.

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http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=215133&...ort=1&cid=1 Order #0001