Ed_Haynes

Me?

So far, this. I have (futile?) hopes of upgrading some day to its Big Brother.

Agreed. (Why is there no Order of M. N. Roy??) The original subject line may have had problems, but I thinbk most knew what was intended. "Men that lead"? Fake lead-cast eBay medals? People with heavy feet? Contemporary leaders of the socialist world (a short list, I fear - and none of them have orders in THEIR names, yet)? Etc. . . . ?????

But, in terms of phaleristics, I would hope we can agree that the orders of Lenin-Sukhbaatar-Dimitrov-Gottwald-Marx-Mart?-Ho-Kim occupy a simnilar level and serve similar functions across countries. This is no comment on the relative and comparative ideological and philosophical importance of these individuals, ranging as it does from the major to the insignificant (and I'll not name names - it would be irrelevant to this discussion).

If we can comparatively study things like the hero stars or the "Red Banner" awards (which we should, and have, and it is great fun), then these orders seem to occupy the same PHALERISTIC ecological niche and layer. This has nothing (well, very very little) to do with their assertable status as great thinkers and great leaders (or not)!

Can you show the naming please.

It has to be one of the few land units that could have worn both, though. A hard combination if you don't float or fly (and not so simple for them).

We have strayed badly

To try to get us back toward the topic . . .

. . . is there a Chinese Order of Mao?

No, never. Well, at least not yet.

Oh, how familiar . . .

. . . shoeboxes and now bank vault . . . .

Same here. And I hate it. I can only see my "friends" by images on a computer screen or online here. Working on better storage conditions, but major family diplomacy is involved.

FJP?

http://www.fjpauctions.com/

What are you seeking? FJP is the best for the choice medals. If you want common medals, any of the commercial manufacturers, for example

http://www.usmedals.com/

Many dealers sell sad sad fakes, so be aware (though in the US, like continental Europe, "fake" is hard to define.)

I'm not sure the Moroccan navy (or ANY navy, for that matter) needs to be prepared to fight the Battle of Jutland?

The best images I have ever seen of the Chpoibalsan star are in Battushig's book. For the Tsendenbal stars (I think two were made?), you may want to glance at the very short article:

Dr. Achitsaikhan Battushig, "Der Rang eines Marschalls der Mongolischen Volksrepublik und seine Verleihungen," Militaria[p/i], 29, 1 (Januar-Februar 2006): 30

Sample:

It is my understandoing that what remains is deep in storage, and you need to know someone who knows someone who knows . . . . I believe a proposal had been floated to put some of these goodies on public display at the time of the 800th anniversary celebrations, but this seems not to have happened.

Let me clarify, and this is all detailed in the other, main, thread on these badges -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5058 -- into which I am tempted to merge these posts.

This type (D 03a and D 03b which are the same) is numbered, observed numbers run from 14 to 975,

D 04 may be a fantasy or unissued prototype.

D 05 (and Herfurt shows a variant otherwise unreported) is unnumbred and dates from the 1970s.

Thanks Ed

Does every such badge has the number?

Tang Si

I have never seen an authentic one unnumbered. Possibly an unawarded escapee? Possibly.

Thanks for getting this thread back on topic, Valuk.

Heven't we seen this one before? I think so. And I think I said then that it looks pretty crude to me, either poorly made (whether authentic or fake) or it has simply had a very hard life. Additionally, it seems to have no number. Personally, I'd give this one a pass, awaiting a more normal specimen in which you'd have more confidence.

The Red Bible gives a fairly extensive coverage of these.

Finding them in groups isn't easy though.

Hi Ed,

The two medals you linked were for military/police wounded in the line of duty. The one initially posted is thought to be for civilians(perhaps killed by the Japanese)? The colors on the ribbon are reversed. New award for the database, Ed?

Possibly, possibly. Have e-mailed Manuel to ask.

Interesting, Jeff. The OMSA datatase shows this

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1798

and Megan's shows

http://www.medals.org.uk/philippines/philippines011.htm

and neither matches. I'd not suspect the Philippines to have the legend in English? Thopugh see: http://www.paf.mil.ph/gallery1/Awards%20an...el%20medal.html

I'm not sure when the ongoing work of Manuel L. Quezon III (quite a name to conjure with, eh?) stands.

We may need to define "leader", otherwise we'll have to contend with the whole stable of Cuban awards named after EVERYONE.

If we go with the medals in the Lenin-Sukhbaatar-Dimitrov-Gottwald-Marx-Mart? (not Guevera)-Ho-Kim series (things that actually existed and were awarded), then we have a useful comparative set of things in the same phaleristic ecological niche. Otherwise . . . .

The only ones I can offer for the compartative visual gallery:

Super! We await the rest of the story . . . .

While it may seem foolish to pay for not-inexpensive research for such cheap medals, only that research can transform these from curious chunks of metal and ribbon into individual and often powerful pieces of history. And the Victory over Japan ribbon does hint at some hidden history here.

Sr. Sergeant Nikolai Vasilievich Sadovsky

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20901

Sergeant Aleksandr Petrovich Panfilenko

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20682

Corporal Aleksandr Pavlovich Dikhtyar

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20684