Ed_Haynes

The Spanish order was passed out fairly freely to esteemed European Catholics, without much regard to underlying logic. We make, I think, a mistake, to introduce any assumption of too much "system" into the "honors system". Then or now.

He was a (greater) German Catholic, working in Egypt, and "lifting" anything that wasn't firmly affixed (and some things that were), and repatriating them to the Fatherland. 'Nuff said?

Maybe he sent some plunder onto Spain as well? These are, after all, the Days Before eBay.

Mike,

So it seems

Dolf

A distinguished herdsman, for sure, Dolf!

Thanks for the warning!!LOL That's a great group of Best Herder Badges. I see the difference in the enamel.

Doc

I love my flock . . . . . . am I Welsh??

While dragging out my herd to count the snouts and enjoy then . . . ooh . . . I noted something.

Type 3 (Cyrillic legend, unnumbered)

Enamel color noted. As with the ranger badges??

Be aware, buddy . . . once you have gone over to the the "snouts", you are truly hooked:

(And note, by the way, the enamel color difference on the bottom two . . . )

That selfsame badge had been posted here before, but due to great recent complexities in my life it never got entered in my notes. Oops.

It is however, the lowest recorded number for that type. And I envy you it!!

See also: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8596

Oh . . . GIGANTIC! (Ricky will kvetch!)

That number is 1500!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

"Bizarre" doesn't even cover it!

We have in the database:

Type 1 (Mongol legend, crude construction, mirror reverse); Low = 15/High = 399

Type 2.1.1 (Mongol legend, mirror reverse, serial number at 7 o?clock); Low = 32/High = 4100

Type 2.1.2 (Mongol legend, mirror reverse, serial number at 10 o?clock); Low = 484/High = 496

Type 2.2 (Mongol legend, flat reverse); Low = 4164/High = 4541

Type 3 (Cyrillic legend, unnumbered)

1500?????

Cross reference: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5229

Reverse please . . . as I have seen it elsewhere (OMSA) we need it up here too. Very interesting!

Nice one . . . and nice scan! And that is the one variety of this award that I do not have yet! (Multiples of other varieties . . . but!!)

Welcome to the new addiction!

Another group. This one probably should be researched.

IMO. These guys were the heros.

Alan

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All are lovely, Alan, but this one is ESPECIALLY so.

Research time!!

I couldn't stand it..... I fixed the title!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I suspect that "Lieder" business is one of those mis-facts that has gotten stuck in popular usage. Leader, Leader.

Nice badges by the way!

These two badges too please. I think that they are for Socialist Competition.

Thanks,

Doc

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2735&st=12

Powerful and evocative history, this. When you have time, could we get a close up on the photo and on the text. Maybe some sort of translation can emerge so at least his image and name can be recaptured.

Why is this always spelled "Lieder"?! What has it to do with songs?!?

LEADER.

Nice ones.

LOVELY!!!

Ed,

I guess you can update the lowest observed S/N for the Type 4.1.

Dolf

138, right? So noted.

Nice one.

War Hero? As a general who overthrew the previous civilian government to take over . . . . If I answered this question, I'd be taken away to j . . . .

1- Nishan-i-Imtiaz (military)

2- Hilal-i-Imtiaz (military) / Sitara-i-Basalat / Sitara-i-Herb 1965 / Sitara-i-Herb 1971

3- Tamgha-i-Jang 1965 (with a MiD, apparently - have not seen him wearing this before) / Tamgha-i-Jang 1971 / Badr Medal / Ten-Year Long Service Medal

4- Twenty-Year Service Medal / Thrty-Year Service Medal / Forty-Year Service Medal / Tamgah-i-Sad Saala Jashan-i-Wiladat Quaid-i-Azam

5- Hijri 1400 Medal / Democracy Medal / Pakistan Resolution Day Golden Jubilee Medal / Pakistan Independence Day Golden Jubilee Medal

References:

http://faculty.winthrop.edu/haynese/medals...n/pakistan.html

http://www.medals.org.uk/pakistan/pakistan.htm

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=581

http://www.medals.lava.pl/pk/pk1.htm

Or of South Carolina from the USA ... oh .....

As almost all of these foreign awards were not published in the London Gazette, they are a bit tricky to trade down. They were, however, discussed -- often at great length -- in the valuable and fascinating proceedings of the Committee on the Award of Orders, Decorations and Medals in Time of War, and these are available in the National Archives (nee PRO) at Kew.

My bags finally arrived yesterday and this medal and document was in one of them.

Glad your bags arrived. In this day and age, when we cannot carry anything "pointy" in our carry-on, one always worries! At least we can lock our bags now, with Security Ministry approved locks.

A very useful site:

http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/acediscussion.htm

Ed

I have been trying for some time to sort these cute little things out. Not sure how successful I have been. I have found one marvelous source, though: Igor Victorov-Orlov, "Achievement Medals of the Soviet Union," The Medal Collector 34, 7 (July 1983): 26-28

I encourage all to read the original, but some "high points" from this article follow:

1 August 1939, the 2nd Session of the Supreme Soviet decided to establish an "Exhibition of Achievements in Agriculture" at a site just outside of Moscow (Pushkinskore).

In the first (1939) session, 1000 Diplomas of the First Degree were awarded (and included Rubles 10,000 and a car) and 4000 Diplomas of the Second Degree (Rubles 5,000 and a motorcycle). In addition, medals were awarded [and Victorov-Orlov does not make it clear how these related to the diplomas]:

1st class - 32-mm gold, 1000 awarded

2nd class - 26-mm gold, 2000 awarded

3rd class - 32-mm silver, 3000 awarded

4th class - 26-mm silver, 15000 awarded

[Does anyone collect these cars and motorcycles as a part of a "complete group"?]

The medals were worn on the left breast from a green ribbon.

A similar exhibition was held in 1940/41, but had to be cut short on account of the outbreak of the GPW.

The exhibitions were not restarted until 1954.

On 5 May 1958, the exhibition was renamed at the "All-Union Exhibition of National Economic Achievements" and was expanded beyond agriculture to include industrial production. New medals came with this change in nomenclature:

1st class - gold

2nd class - silver

3rd class - bronze

All these second-variety medals were 23-mm and were worn from a magenta/rose-purple ribbon on the right breast.

Both issues had both screwback and pinback medals.

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Observations and questions:

1- A 1939 issue and a 1940/41 issue, pre-war.

2- A continuation of the pre-war medals (undated?) for 1954-57.

3- New medals for 1958-??.

Thinking:

All-Union Agricultural Exhibition (VDNKh) medals (1939-40):

1- 1st class - 32-mm gold medal:

1.1- 1939 - serial-numbered

1.1.1- screwback

1.1.2- pinback

1.2.- 1940 - serial-numbered

1.2.1- screwback

1.2.2- pinback

2- 2nd class - 26-mm gold medal:

2.1- 1939 - serial-numbered

2.1.1- screwback

2.1.2- pinback

2.2- 1940 - serial-numbered

2.2.1- screwback

2.2.2- pinback

3- 3rd class - 32-mm silver medal:

3.1- 1939 - serial-numbered

3.1.1- screwback

3.1.2- pinback

3.2- 1940 - serial-numbered

3.2.1- screwback

3.2.2- pinback

4- 4th class - 26-mm silver medal:

4.1- 1939 - serial-numbered

4.1.1- screwback

4.1.2- pinback

4.2- 1940 - serial-numbered

4.2.1- screwback

4.2.2- pinback

5 ? 5th (?) class ? 32-mm brass medal (is this only a participant/exhibitor medal, non-prize-winner?)

5.1- 1939 - serial-numbered

5.1.1- screwback

5.1.2- pinback

5.2- 1940 - serial-numbered

5.2.1- screwback

5.2.2- pinback

All-Union Agricultural Exhibition (VDNKh) medals (1954-58):

1- 1st class - gold medal, 26 mm undated, unnumbered:

1.1- screwback

1.1.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

1.1.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

1.2- pinback

1.2.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

1.2.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

2- 2nd class - silver medal, 26 mm undated, unnumbered:

2.1- screwback

2.1.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

2.1.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

2.2- pinback

2.2.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

2.2.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

3 ? 3rd (?) class ? brass/bronze medal, 26 mm, undated, unnumbered:

3.1- screwback

3.1.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

3.1.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

3.2- pinback

3.2.1 ? ?X? on tractor grille

3.2.2 ? no ?X? on tractor grille

All-Union Exhibition of National Economic Achievements (VDNKh) medal (1958-??):

1- 1st class - 23-mm gold/gilt medal

1.1- screwback

1.2- pinback

2- 2nd class - 23-mm "silver" (copper-nickle) medal

2.1- screwback

3.2- pinback

3- 3rd class - 23-mm bronze/brass medal

3.1- screwback

3.2- pinback

The ribbon color on the small VDNKh medal is usually pink (faded red?), although blue ribbons have also been observed. I am quite confused by the ribbons here.

Laureate VDNKh - only one variation known at the moment.

Help?!?!?!