Ed_Haynes

PATIALA -- Nishan-i-Phul (Family Order), 3rd class, commander

Numbered 19 on the reverse.

McClenaghan, # 205, pp. 212-15.

PATIALA -- Long Sevice Medal (Military), Bhupendra Singh

McClenaghan, p. 227, no. 216.

BIKANER -- Order of the Sadul Star of Bikaner -- Grand Commander (class I) sash badge

This badge is slightly different from other badges reported for this same order and may be a collar badge or grand master's badge, though none has been previously reported.

Just to spice things up a bit,. I'll post here a few SAMPLES of awards from the semi-independence Indian "Princely" States before 1947.

For more, see:

http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=30

(Sorry, but you'll need to sign up to see these -- helps to keep the information brigands and web-crawling spiders out.)

The "sacred text" on these awards is:

Tony McClenaghan, Indian Princely Medals: A Record of the Orders, Decorations and Medals of the Indian Princely States (New Delhi" Lancer Publishers. [1996]; ISBN 1-897829-19-1), pp. iii + 282

This is a masterful piece of work, representing decades of work when enough "old-timers" were alive who remembered how things were before Integaration in 1947. While the quality of production leaves a good bit to be desired (especially in how the illustrations are rendered), this is a must-have volume for anyone with any interest in this arcane field, although it is now rather hard to find.

McClenaghan resisted the temptation of any researcher to wait until the last bits of evidence come together and published his work in an effort to elicit expansions, corrections, and new information. The last privately-circulated updates I have seen are almost as lengthy as the original book. Some states, in particular Bharatpur and Indore, have had massive quantities of new information and specimens come forward. It is good news indeed that active negotiations are underway for a new, expanded, prettier, and more easily available edition. Cross your fingers!

(I would have posted a scan of the cover, but the size limit seems to have gone haywire.)

The relations between and among these four new US medals (the two for the so-called "GWOT") and the two for Iraq and Afghanistan are, at best, complex. It seem clear that whoever came up with them never envisioned multi-tour (multi-generational?) deployments (i.e., they'd never read the military history of these areas). And I am not even touching issues of phaleristic "design" here!

Wisconsin?

See: http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=830

The OMSA database has coverage of many/most of these state medals.

The Gulf War II medal shown is a generic unofficial commercial medal which many states picked up so their "forces" could have just one more medal for liberating Kuwait.

See: http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.ph...to=1911&cat=657

Ed

Of course it is 1st class. Duh!

Posting from memory of the initial scan (always a bad idea on Friday afternoon).

So . . . badly wounded in WWII, hence the OPW (2nd class?) commemorative issue?

I still think of the OOR as a labor/party award. Am I wrong here?

The only other one I have seen is in that group-that-may-not-be-a-group -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2456

An interesting story lurks here.

A nice group indeed. I have never had a clear sense of the sorts of folk who got the OOR, and have always assumed it went mainly to party types. It is fairly commonly seen in wear by "foreign friends", but I agree with you that rarely do we see normal Soviets wearing it.

Any chance of deciphering stamps and so on to get a sense of who he was? When you find the time to scan the documents, we can unleash Rick's Eagle-Eye and all will be revealed?

I know that ribbons were awarded with the Labor Orders (yellow with red edges and one, two, or three red stripes, depending on class). I have handled, but do not have in my custody, some nice cased sets. They are unnumbered, so their joy is limited. I believe I have seen photos of recipients wearing several labor orders, so the usual patterns seem to hold here.

But they are highly, highly, HIGHLY faked, worse than Third Reich stuff.

Is there any area that you do not collect?!

Oh . . . . Oh . . . that is a hard one!

I have been collecting and studying mostly South Asian medals for far, far too close to 35 years to make me entirely confortable. Joined the OMSA (illegally young as Jack Lele liked to taunt me) as member #1299 and only recently bit the worthy bullet and became a life member (#78). I became an OMRS member later on (#5414). Also a proud member of the IMHS (we don't have numbers).

I am an academic historian (with specialization in Modern South Asian History), I have been striving in recent years to conjoin my academic interests and my "hobby" interests.

Main interests (more or less in order):

1- Post-1947 Indian medals. See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2450

2- Indian Title Badges. Not here, actually, see: http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=265.

3- Pre-1947 gallantry and campaign awards (to Indians only) - especially like IOMs and IDSMs but the market is making these out of reach. There is also a "type collection" sub-motif here that will not die, despite my best efforts. See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2331 and http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2400.

4- Medals to Indian States' Forces and medals of the Indian "Princely" States. Getting pretty expensive these days. Not here (yet), though I may inflict some upon you .

5- Other medals of the independent states of South Asia. Special interest in PDR Afghanistan ("Soviet-era") and Pakistan. Scattered about.

6- Labor medals of the "Socialist" world. See my latest baby, http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2746.

7- Medals of the Arab world (the 22 Arab League member states). Not here, much, yet.

Yes, there are some "fringe" areas in there, and I also like other shiny things that strike my fancy. (My "Magpie Stage" -- as the late lamented Alan Wolfe called it -- still persists in remnant form.)

I maintain the yahoo group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGongs/ ) and a sibling forum ( http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/ ) on South Asian medals. Until it was trashed in a post-11 September striking out at anything with remotely "Arab" content, I had maintained the "International Electronic Phaleristic Encyclopedia". An aeon or so ago, I had also started the MEDALS-L mailing list.

Will add more as I can.

Ed

Back to topic, now, OK? Please!

Medal ?Sukhrat? / Медаль ?Сухрат?

Date and details of establishment of a medal are unknown. Apparently, the medal is awarded for labor merit.

Медаль ?Сухрат?

Дата и подробности учреждения медали неизвестны. Судя по всему, медаль вручается за трудовые заслуги.

This #130352.

See also:

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=630

http://www.netdialogue.com/yy/Europe/Yugos...a/SFRY/SFRY.htm

Medal for Labor / Medalja rada

Order of Labor, 2nd class / Order rada, 2nd class

Order was founded on 1 May, 1945, in three degrees. It was awarded to citizens, associations, and military units for uccesses inlabor. 2nd degree (with the gold garland): Material: Silver-plated and gold-plated bronze. 36,338 awards through 31 December, 1985. Ribbon: Dark-blue moire with two 4 mm by the red strips in the center.

This pinback specimen from the late 1960s, from the Belgrad mint (marked "ZIN KOVNICA" on the pin).

". . . awarded to individuals, organisations of associated labour, other organisations and military units of SFRY that achieve special results in economy and for special work important for progress of the country in other social activities".

See also:

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=584

http://www.medals.org.uk/romania/socialist...omania-text.htm

http://www.netdialogue.com/yy/Europe/Romania/SRR/SRR.htm

Can we please post here what we have, to lay down the "documentation trail".

Medal of Labor, 1965-89 variety, "RSR" / Medalia Muncii, 1965-89 variety, "RSR"

Medal of Labor, 1948-65 variety, "RPR" / Medalia Muncii, 1948-65 variety, "RPR"

Order of Labor, 3rd class, 1965-89 variety, "RSR" / Odinul Muncii, 3rd class, 1965-89 variety, "RSR"

Order of Labor, 3rd class, 1948-65 variety, "RPR" / Ordinul Muncii, 3rd class, 1948-65 variety, "RPR"

Paul: I hope you don't mind us adding onto your fine thread. (I always feel uncomfortable doing this.) But we know so little about most Warsaw Pact etc. awards that we need to pool our individual ignorance to produce collective knowledge.

(Igor, by the way, seems to sell those things which he can sell, even Nazi stuff.)

Order of Labor, 1st class, 1965-89 variety, "RSR" / Odinul Muncii, 1st class, 1965-89 variety, "RSR"

Founded by the decree of No. 16 of 1948 to three degrees. This "RSR" variety awarded 1965-89.

(What follows is reflecting my interest in labor awards of the "socialist world".)

That's right, Jeff got in first on us both. What else is new.

I'd guess along with with your guesses. The low levels of Sacred Tresure were pretty much long service good-guy awards, as I understand them. Your scenario for the group works for me. A nice group, though so many prefer men in uniform over nice civilian groups.

Dave beat me to it. A nice group, as I assume it to be.