Ed_Haynes

But for what a tourist or other people like to buy this medal in this time?

Other younger collector will finde a answher in later time.

I suspect Zionist settlers in Palestine would have bought these quite happily.

And, yes, now that it has been documented (though it needs to be published with good illustrations) there is some hope that someday we may know more. Though unofficial awards are always hard to establish, as there are rarely records.

Yet it is numberd, it can be researched (in theory, should one live long enough) and the history can be recovered.

You know, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that Major Grigory Yakovlevich Ivanov's OPW is missing enamel -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=23128 -- or that Colonel Nikolai Ivanovich Vavenko's Red Star -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10376 -- or Nikolai Andreiovich Lyashenko's Red Banner -- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=8387 -- are just lonesome singles.

If I didn't (or couldn't) have names and stories and sometimes pictures to go with these, would I bother? Probably not. But being numbered, there's always hope and there's always history (some history being sexier that others).

Ed,

Agreed that from a historical perspective, broken enamel does not matter too much. But since we are living in this mercantile world, what is worth "historical value"?

Marc

To some collectors (and this forum, I think, has more than some), it matters a great deal. I (and others) are quite willing to pay money to research a piece that cost $20 or so. For the type collector, this seems lunatic, I am sure. For me (and others) it is ALL ABOUT the history. This is why for some unnamed unnumbered ahistorical medals hold little value or interest.

Given the fact that the enamel is repaired, that would be the high end of the range IMHO.

Marc

For a "numismatic standards" collector, yes it might be high. Good point, Marc. For a "historical value" collector, the damage doesn't matter (much).

WOW! Really?

Fair or not, sane or not, those are Red Star prices in these dark and crazy days. For a six-digit one not so bad, but you see prices at and above that level for 7-digit Red Stars. The happy (and sane) days are long gone.

A well known NJ dealer has 7-digit varieties ranging from $130 to $260. A 5-digit at $2400 and a 7-digit duplicate at $685.

I'd hate to be just starting Soviet awards now!!

Interesting. Obviously not Israeli, but a Jewish Palestinian curiosity.

Zooming up to 400% window size, I can almost see the image. I'd be reasonabl;y certain this is in no sense an official issue by the High Commission as, in the 1920s, the British tried (and untimately failed) to maintain balance in their policies in Palestine.

Oh. They came from Goga and the other from Rakesh; merely "brothers in crime". Way back when these (and everything else!) cost nothing. You really REALLY don't want to know!

As a Rai Bahadur and a Khan Sahib, they are, of course completely unrelated, given the British racial oops religious construction of India.

See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2854 or, better, http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=265& or, ever better, a JOMSA article (and, later book) I'm working on.

When you pop them . . . .

Framing is such a nuisance?

With detials on naming/date I can give at least a one-liner. The full 1-2 (3?) page recommendation requires Delhi.

With a ticket ....???

I had rather see the other three go away!

You'd get no debate here, though the Afghan Campaign isn't half bad (not so the Iraq medal?).

Thank you for the images. I love this medal. It is a shame that the US wont allow our Afghan vets to wear this medal on their uniform.

Maybe they think three medals is enough? Maybe they're right?

Let me know, Hugh, if you need Title Badge ribbons. While the 2nd class may be right, who knows what your 2rd class may be. Do you need look-ups?

But when did he get his second CCCP ORB???????

:jumping:

Who the hell is that?!?!?!?! (Is my suspicion right? Choibalsan [young]?)

Confirmation (un-retouched!) of the Arabic-numbered awards.

You have made my MONTH (not day, not week)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Each government can decide whether they allow their military forces (and other State employees) to receive it. If the US doesn't let their troops get this medal, then who else will get it? Maybe Karzai then sells the surplus stock on e$cam? Who knows. He needs the money.

I agree, it feels like a legitimate Afghan award and whether the US or ISAF (or anyone else) can wear it is irrelevant.

I think one of the major US medal retailers showed it in their catalogue for a while but then dropped it when the Pentagon disallowed it. (I know because this is what I think, according to some vauge letters from the Afghan ambassador, I'd get for my service with the UN in monitoring the 2000 Loya Jirgha selections, so I have a personal interest here.)

Looking at some notes, I think I'd agree with you. I think this may be an official award (though what I have is that the US government has not approved it for acceptance).

Very interesting! Thanks.

Interesting. Have never seen that one before.

(I have, by the way, moved the thread.)

Most likely a group -- we'll never know for sure -- and nicely mounted!

Thanks!!

Nice results./ More? More? MORE?????

Yum, however.

Good! Doesn't upset my article soon to appear in JOMSA. Whew.

Is that self-serving crap?? Right!!

So noted. Yummy.

Pending research. Wow. RESEARCH!??!?!?!

Nice. Pending checking on numbers and dates the Battushig numbers/dates should be take as "fluid". A lovely one, though!

The word "Муляж" would do nicely the trick.

Marc

That actually is the one I have used, much to the confusion of local engravers, Mark!

Ah . . . that is why we have seen it? Maybe the careful engraving of "FAKE" (somewhere, I have the best Russian equivalent, which I HAVE used) on the reverse would help out future generations?

How many SN 7314 are there ?

Ch.

That particular number of this order breeds, doesn't it?