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TeNo Armscheibe Type 1.0 – CIRCLE ('Classic' TN-in-COG) This ‘Rarely Found’ Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe used – a CIRCLE – as the outline shape of the LEFT Sleeve Emblem. It was in use for the short time-frame of 1932-late 1933 (per Foto documentation.) But, it also was probably worn into 1934, when the ‘next’ TeNo Armscheibe, Type 2.0, was officially introduced. The Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe has the following Characteristics: • It is ‘believed’ to be made of Cotton, with the TN Emblem printed on it. (But, I am unable to confirm the material.) • A Surrounding COG Wheel of 16 outer Cogs & 8 inner Spokes, with the end of each of the Spokes touching the outer Wheel Circle; • A Central “N” – with all 8 Spokes passing through it; • A transverse “T” formed using a ‘Hammer Head’ (with the RT. End being Slanted) - positioned at the 12 O’clock Position & Centered above the “N” below it; This Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe outwardly appears to be ‘Almost the Same’ as the later used [1942-1945] Dutch TeNo (Technische Noodhulp) Armscheibe. (BUt, the Dutch TN Emblem was BeVo woven.) The two (2) Emblems are quite similar - BUT, there are some Key Differences seen between the two, which allows Collectors to Distinguish Them. DIFFERENCES: The Technische Noodhulp (Dutch TN) Armscheibe also has the Design of an Outer Cog Wheel of 16 Cogs & 8 Spokes, plus the Central “TN” – BUT the following Differences are seen when comparing these 2 Armscheiben. The Technische Noodhulp (Dutch TN) Armscheibe has: • BeVo contruction (? of Cotton) - instead of being Printed. • A Small Dark Circular Line, placed Outside of the Cog Wheel, & • The 8 Spokes do NOT touch the inner border of the Circular Cog Wheel, & • The “T” Hammer Head is positioned further to the Right, such that the Slanted End leading edge is lined up Vertically with the Right edge of the “N” below it. The Type 1.0 TeNo Armscheibe does Not have the above 4 findings. ......... (The above is based upon the study of a Technische Noodhulp Armscheibe [& Fotos] as well as multiple Fotos of the TeNo 1st Armscheiben – so this is not a ‘scientific’ study - rather, these are my observations.) ATTACHMENT: Foto of the TeNo’s Founder, Otto Lummitzsch, with the Type 1.0 Armscheibe

TeNo LEFT Sleeve Armscheiben & Eagles – 4 Basic Types The various types of TeNo Cloth Insignia “Armscheibe / Ärmelabzeichen” which were worn on the Upper LEFT Uniform Sleeve, is a very interesting study of Transitions. As a core group of technically trained Leaders & Members, the TeNo used symmetrical & geometrically shaped insignias, from 1932-1945. The TeNo progressed through a series of 4 Different Armscheiben - “Logo / Emblem” Types, consisting of: 1) Type 1.0 - CIRCLE – 1932 - 1933 2) Type 2.0 - DIAMOND - (as a SQUARE rotated on a corner) – late 1933 – 1935. (But, allowed to be worn until 1937.) 3) Type 3.0 - TRIANGLE – 1935 - June 1, 1943 (the most Familiar pattern) – but continued to worn on Blue TeNo Uniforms, until May 8, 1945. 4) Type 4.0 - OVAL Police ‘Type’ Eagle - June 1, 1943 - May 8, 1945, (Officer & NCO/EM Models) to be worn on Only the TN-Police Green Uniform. A study of TeNo Armscheibe Examples reveals that each of these 4 Types (except the Circle) had Variations (which included Different Makers [#’s 2, 3, 4] & Different Color Combinations [#’s 3-4], etc.) The Type 1.0 - Circle, ‘may’ also have had variations, but it is so rare – that I have Not been able to study it! There are probably Other Type Variations (of which I am Not aware) & seeing them would be Super – for learning even more about the diversity of the Armscheibe Types of TeNo! [The words “Armscheibe” (i.e. Sleeve Disk) & “Ärmelabzeichen” (i.e. Sleeve Badge) are used in TN Literature & Charts - interchangeably, in describing these 4 Types of TeNo Upper LT. Sleeve Emblems. But, I could well be missing the True meaning, in proper German?] Hopefully, it will be interesting to Review & Discuss these 4 Cloth TeNo Sleeve Armscheibe Types - & to Learn from other Collectors, & to Hopefully see Different (or ‘Previously Unknown’) Examples! I happily & collegially defer to those more knowledgeable than me, for Any needed Corrections, of ‘Wrong’ dates, etc., that I may use! I think that some help may definitely be needed!) I will show Examples of the 4 TeNo Armscheibe Types, & their SubTypes – as well as Fotos of their ‘In Wear’ Use – where Fotos are available. … Txs, Dave/dblmed

The DUTCH TeNo • TN - The TECHNISCHE NOODHULP - Uniforms ... OFFICER'S UNIFORMS (German TN vs. the Dutch TN) (A-1) This special Foto shows that the German TN Officers (LEFT) are wearing the Field-grey uniforms & Grey Visors which have the 'Standard' TN Eagle Abzeichen, above the Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz. (A-2) The Foto shows that the DUTCH TN Officers (RIGHT) are wearing the TN Dunkelblau uniform & Visor - BOTH items with specific differences from those of the German TN. • The Dutch TN Officer [silver Chin Cord on Visor] has NO TN Eagle Abzeichen, but instead has some sort of a "Circle" Emblem (Yet to be Determined.) Also, Does the Dutch TN Officer wear the 'standard' TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz – or – another special Dutch Type? (I am Not able to see it well enough to have an Opinion?) • The Dutch TN Officer would Actually be an EM, "IF" he were in the German TN, by wearing matching Cog-Wheel Collar Patches (Tabs) – but "WHO KNOWS" the Ranking Chart for the Technische Noodhulp? (It is still an 'Unknown' – to the best of my knowledge.) • The Dutch TN Officer has NO Shoulder Boards (either a Single or a Double set) on his uniform. This is Totally different from the German TN – so this is also a NEW Finding. • His Belt Buckle is smaller, of EM/NCO Size – BUT, this is Not a Positive Finding, as there are Many Fotos of German TN Officers, who wear EM/NCO Claw Type Buckles. (•B) The Foto also shows a German TN Officer, saluting, & who is wearing the Field-grey uniform, BUT he has NO COG on his Collar Patch (Tab)! IMO, this helps to date the Foto to mid-1943, or later – as there are numerous other Fotos of this 'yet unexplained' NO COG being worn, Observation. IMO, there are 'yet to be found' TN Orders to remove the COGS from the Collar Patches (Tabs) – sometime after the Last TN Rank & Insignia Change of May 19, 1943, effective June 1, 1943. (•C) The Foto additionally shows that the Dutch TN was continuing to wear COGS on their Collar Patches (Tabs) – at a time when the German TN had STOPPED using them. Interesting NEW Dutch TN Information! Additionally - the Dutch TN Officer has a PIPED Lapel, which was NOT being used by the German TN, at this point in time. MORE New Information for us! Perhaps, the Piping, is for Officers only? (•D) The German TN Officers wear Pistols, while the Dutch TN Officer does NOT have a Pistol. (But, this is a minor finding & is not significant, IMO.) (Hopefully, there may be a Dutch TN Collector - or a Dutch WWII Museum, with a Dutch TN Officer's Uniform – & – the Visor?) ... Txs, Dave/dblmed. ATTACHMENT: Enlargement of the Previous Foto...

The DUTCH TeNo • TN - The TECHNISCHE NOODHULP • DUTCH TN 'Circle' Patch, in Wear: Dutch TN Fotos don't come around very often & I felt very lucky to acquire this one from a Dutch Collector. This great Foto shows the Dutch TN ‘Circle’ Patch Armscheibe being worn by the Noodhelper on the very Far RIGHT & another Noodhelper, on the Left Sleeve. They are dressed in the off white 'Drillich' / Working Uniform, similar to that of the German TeNo • TN. • GERMAN TeNo • TN (Technische Nothilfe) OFFICERS: (LEFT) are wearing the Field-grey uniforms & Grey Visors which have the ‘Standard’ TN Eagle Abzeichen, above the Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz. • DUTCH TeNo • TN (Technische Noodhulp) OFFICERS: (RIGHT) are wearing the TN Dunkelblau uniform & a Dunkelblau Visor - BOTH items with specific differences from those of the German TN. ...... Txs, Dave/dblmed

TeNo Visor Insignia from the ASSMANN Catalog with the Type 3.C - ALL ALUMINUM ASSMANN Catalog Showing 3rd TN - Type 3.C - ALUMINUM Visor Insignia This page is from a reprint of the period ASSMANN Catalog which Shows the familiar 3rd TN Insignia - Type 3.C (Final) ? in ALL ALUMINUM, with the Ordering Reference Numbers provided. It serves as a great Reference, as well as another source of Confirmation. There may well Exist some OTHER TN Visor Insignia SubTypes / Variations, of which I am Not aware! I would be very interested in seeing them & learning more about them!.......Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT: ASSMANN Catalog Page for TeNo Type 3.C (Final) Visor Insignia ? ALL ALUMINUM model (Assmann Catalog Reprint).

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TeNo Visor Insignia–GOLD Eagle - Type 3.B.G (Mid Gold) 3rd TN Visor Insignia – GOLD Eagle - Type 3.B.G (Middle-Gold) – ALL Nickel Silver Model TN EAGLE ASSMANN Gold Eagles As noted previously, for the top 3 Ranks of the TN, ASSMANN would have also "needed" to provide & manufacture a GOLD Nickel Silver Model EAGLE - & again Collector's have also found Examples to show that ASSMANN did make these. ... Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT: ASSMANN TN EAGLES: Nickel Silver GOLD Eagle + Aluminum GOLD Eagles

TeNo Visor InsigniaGOLD Mützenkranz-Type 3.B.G (Gold) 3rd TN Visor Insignia GOLD Mützenkranz - Type 3.B.G (Middle-Gold) the ALL Nickel Silver Model in a GOLD Color. ASSMANN Gold Mützenkranz For the top 3 Ranks of the TN, ASSMANN would have "Needed" to provide and manufacture a GOLD Nickel Silver Model - & Collector's have found Examples which show that they did. .... Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT: ASSMANN Nickel Silver GOLD Mützenkranz + Aluminum GOLD Mützenkranz

TeNo 3rd Visor InsigniaType 3.C (Final) ALL Aluminum 3rd TN Visor Insignia Type 3.C (Final) ALL Aluminum Type The 3rd TN Visor Insignia Type 3.C (Final) ALL ALUMINUM Eagle + ALUMINUM Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz, is the Insignia which most Collectors know & recognize, as being "TeNo." It is not a 'common' Insignia but then it's also not a 'rare' one. ALUMINUM TN EAGLE - As noted above, due to the imposed 'Legal' restrictions for the use of strategic metals (i.e. NO more use of Nickel Silver), ASSMANN was required to change to Insignia production using Aluminum [for ALL TR Insignias]. (Observation of Examples, leads to the Conclusion that new Stamping Die sets were required since examples of the NS Mützenkranz are definitely slightly smaller than the Aluminum Mützenkranz. Examples) The TN Eagle design remained the same, BUT the stamping process when using Aluminum, gave the Eagle some totally new characteristics: (1) HOOD: A 'hood' over the Eagle's head, due to the Stamping Die; (2) LESS DETAIL: Much less distinct Head, Wings, and Body features but still a very attractive & Distinct Eagle! ! ! (3) Swastika in-a-BOX: Most Recognizable is that the Swastika was now in a rotated 'BOX' with the lack of the prior Nickel Silver 3 "Cut-Out" Swastika arms. (Also, this feature made it a whole LOT easier for us to see the difference, in Photos!) By comparison, it is also very interesting that the Cloth / Bullion Officer's Visor Eagles continued to be made (1936-?1945) with the design of "Cut-Out" 3 Arms of the Swastika. ALUMINUM TN Mützenkranz - The TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz design, when made of Aluminum, remained 'essentially' the same as the NS model BUT, with the significant differences being that: Weight - much lighter in Weight - when made of Aluminum Size - it is definitely slightly larger in Width & Height. Attachment Pins - Different locations of, & different numbers of, reverse securing 'double-pins' have been noted. (However, since this Type 3.C TN Insignia was manufactured from mid 1936 ?1942/43 or perhaps even into 1945, 'some' changes in their production reasonably took place over this long time-frame.) On the ASSMANN Sample board, the 3rd TN Visor Insignia Type 3.C (Final) ALL Aluminum Type, is also present for study. ... Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT ASSMANN Sample Board with 3rd TN Visor Insignia Type 3.C (Final) ALL Aluminum Insignia. Photo (1936) of Landesführer Walther Junecke, wearing the 3rd TN Visor Insignia Type 3.C (Final) dated 1936.

TeNo Visor Insignia–Type 3.B (Middle) – ALL Nickel Silver 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.B (Middle) ALL Nickel Silver Model - for BOTH the Eagle & the 'Newly Introduced' Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz The TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz, in Aluminum, is the one which is most frequently encountered by Collectors – But, it had an earlier Variant, in NICKEL SILVER. This Type 3.B (Middle) Example of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia, may be something NEW, to many Collectors. I actually 'learned' about this Type 3.B Variant by 1st finding an Example of it - & - then by Confirming it indirectly, from reading Wim. Saris' great book "Aguillettes" - which I had purchased Only for the TN section. [i found the book to be so interesting, that I couldn't put it down. Super Book – Buy It for your TR Library!] As I was reading "Aguillettes" – there was a passage where Wim. Saris was discussing the types of metals used to make "Aguillette Tips." I read on Page 161, Footnote # 54, & I saw that: " 'Reichsangzeiger' Nr. 101 dated May 2, 1935, with order Nr. 26 dated April 24, 1935. ?Here, specifically, the forbidden materials are listed." This referred to Neusilber (Nickel Silver), in addition to other strategic metals. This information HIT me with a SHOCK! THIS was the information that I was missing, in order to understand more about the Variations of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia! I previously was aware - that: (a). 1st there was a Nickel Silver TN Eagle, which 'mysteriously' started to be made of Aluminum (but When?) & that?(b). An Aluminum TN Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz was issued (but When?) & that?©. I was aware of a very few TN Collectors who had examples of a SOLID Nickel Silver 'Laurel Leaf' TN Mützenkranz, which is marked 'Ges. Gesch.'This led to an 'Informed Conclusion' regarding this piece of previously missing TN Information – i.e. WHEN, was the Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz 'Authorized? From Wilm. Saris' information + Collector's examples of the actual NS Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz - it was NOW apparent (IMO) that the 'Official' date MUST have been before May 2, 1935! Since - After the published date of May 2, 1935 - NO MORE Nickel Silver metal could 'legally' be used for manufacturing Items. However, ASSMANN most reasonably would have made up 'extra stock' TN Insignia using NS - & - this supply could have lasted for many months, maybe even into 1936+? (depending upon the demand for the items.) All of this information also helped me to understand the WHY of the 'Transitional' SS & SA Daggers, with their strange 'Mix' of solid Nickel Silver vs. Plated parts - which also started in about 1935! NOW - it's starting to make some sense! The "Legal restrictions on using Nickel Silver - Stock Piles of prior to "Stop" date for using NS, manufactured 'Items' - Amount of Stock on hand & the time lag, for "Using Up" these previously made items, through Purchase Orders from end-user Insignia Dealers" is just the Age-Old application of "SUPPLY & DEMAND" for specific Items. The "Confirmatory Proof" was then found in reading the "Verordnungsblatt der TN", Nr. 6 from June 1936 - where the material to be used for BOTH the TN Eagle & the Mützenkranz, was described as being ALUMINUM! This June 1936 "TN Verordnungsblatt", stated: "?Hohe deutsche Offizierskokarde mit platischem Lorbeerkranz in aluminum, darüber das plastische Hoheitszechen der TN, aluminium geprägt?" Lorbeerkranz is LAUREL! So this means that, instead of the prior Oak Leaf Mützenkranz, the 1936 Officer's version of the 'New' Mützenkranz was to the Laurel Leaf Wreath [Mützenkranz] configuration, & it was to be made from Aluminum. (We also find, in numerous Fotos, that the Laurel Leaf Wreath was also used by EM/NCO's.) When looking at the Dates involved, it is apparent (IMO) that Assmann got the 'production order' for the 'New TN Insignia' several ( ? 2-4+ ? ) months prior to the date of the official TN Announcement. This makes production time sense & it was absolutely necessary. Assmann would have needed the few months of lead time to 1st make the new Stamping Dies & then manufacture a Supply of these 'New' items, which would then be readily available to distribution outlets, as of the official TN Announcement Date. Based upon ALL of the above "Proofs" - it is reasonable to 'conclude' that there was a very, very short time duration in early-mid 1936, when BOTH the Nickel Silver variation of the TN Eagle + the 'New' Nickel Silver Laurel Leaf TN Mützenkranz were manufactured by Assmann. As Concrete substantiation, below are examples of BOTH TN Nickel Silver Insignias. Thus, there was a 3rd TN Visor Insignia – Type 3.B (Middle), which is the ALL Nickel Silver Insignia – BOTH, for the Eagle & the 'New' Laurel Leaf Wreath (Mützenkranz). This is exciting new information for us, as General TR & TeNo Collectors! ATTACHMENT: Front & Reverse of - ASSMANN Nickel Silver Eagle + Nickel Silver Laurel Leaf Mützenkranz – 3.B (Middle) TN Visor Insignia.

TeNo Visor Insignia TYPE 3.A w NICKEL SILVER Eagle TeNo Visor Insignia TYPE 3.A w NICKEL SILVER Eagle As noted in the above Post, the 'TN Verordnungsblatt' of February 25, 1935 (published in March) specified that the "new TN Eagle" ? was to be made of Nickel Silver, AND that the manufacturer was ASSMANN. It is both Interesting & it's Historically Significant to actually 'See' this TR Publication & it adds to Collecting Interest to review the Details of the Front & Reverse of this seldom seen TeNo Nickel Silver Visor Eagle. (I may have Posted the "Announcement" before - but not with an Example of the NS Eagle.) ... Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT 'TN Verordnungsblatt' announcement of the TN Nickel Silver Eagle [February 25, 1935 (published in March)] + the Front & Reverse of the TN Nickel Silver Eagle.

3rd TeNo Visor Insignia ? Type 3.A (Early) 3rd TN Visor Insignia ? Type 3.A (Early) Next comes the rather 'Complex' 3rd Type of TN Visor Insignia (with a Number of Variations). I try to never 'disagree' with "Fellow Collectors / Teachers / Mentors / Authors" ? but, Instead to present them with 'New & Documented' Information, & then let everyone decide for themselves! It's our Hobby - & Collecting should Always be fun & educational! ? 1935 TN EAGLE - ANNOUNCEMENT: Hugh Page Taylor, in "Police, Vol. 2" noted on page 552, that the Interior Minister, on January 25, 1935, awarded the TN with the honor to wear its own special Visor Emblem (Hoheitsabzeichen). [iMO, this reasonably would 'Not' have been done, without having 1st approved a Drawing, or a Model, of the actual TN Visor Eagle design.] The official Announcement of the 3rd TN Visor Insignia [3.A] is found in the 'TN Verordnungsblatt' of February 25, 1935 (published in March). In reading this 'TN Verordnungsblatt' issue, & it specifies that this "new TN Eagle" was to be made of NICKEL SILVER, & that the manufacturer was ASSMANN. From this Documentation, we are now Positive, that the 1st TN Eagle was a NICKEL SILVER Eagle! The TN 'Verordnungsblatt' of March 1935 also states:.... "?Order concerning the wearing of the national TN emblem: The national emblem for the TN is to be worn in the upper middle of the service cap (Dienstm?tze) for the TN. Beneath this, upon the cap band, the Neusilber Oakleaf-Wreath [M?tzenkranz] is attached with the [centered] Black-White-Red cocqarde?" ? OAK LEAF & NOT LAUREL LEAF 1935 TN M?TZENKRANZ: Thus, there is the Specific Designation of an Oak Leaf M?tzenkranz [& made of Nickel Silver] and NO Mention of the later found, much more common, TN Laurel Leaf M?tzenkranz. ... The same style Oak Leaf M?tzenkranz turns out to be a 'standard' ASSMANN pattern, which was also used for other Organizations. (It is shown in the in Catalog in an Aluminum model configuration.) Based upon this information, one could reasonably 'postulate' that TN Visors of Late 1935 & 1936 could be found with a combination of NS Eagle & either a NS "Oakleaf" M?tzenkranz ? or ? with an Aluminum "Oakleaf" M?tzenkranz. [This information makes Collecting TN insignia just that much more interesting & challenging!] ? 1935 TN EAGLE ? of NICKEL SILVER: This 1935 Nickel Silver TN Eagle is a VERY Special one, & it is seldom encountered by us, as Collectors. It is easily distinguished by the Rotated Swastika; Heavy Weight; the "Cut-Outs" of the lower 3 arms of the Swastika & the Fine Detail of the Eagle's Wings, Body & Head (w No 'Hood' around the head). ? WHY is the NS Eagle so, so RARE? I believe that you'll see the Answer in the next Post ! !) I was very fortunate & acquired an ASSMANN Co. Salesman's Sample board, which nicely shows various TN Metal Insignias. On this Board is the 3rd TN Visor Insignia 3.A with NS Eagle + Oak Leaf M?tzenkranz + Cocquard. For the sake of having a Reference, let's 'Classify' this Model as the 3rd TN Visor Insignia ? Type 3.A (Early). From the available information, there also may 'reasonably' be SubTypes 3.A1 (with a Nickel Silver "Oak Leaf" M?tzenkranz) & 3.A2 (with an Aluminum "Oak Leaf" M?tzenkranz). ?..Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT ASSMANN Sample Board ? 3rd TN Visor Insignia ? Type 3.A (Early) Photo of TN Landesf?hrer Walther Junecke wearing this Set. (Very clearly seen - when you Look for the "Cut-Out" Swastika & the Oak Leaf M?tzenkranz!) Dated 1935 on Photo, on the lower RT. Corner.

TeNo Visor Insignia - TYPE 2 TeNo Visor Insignia - TYPE 2 2nd TN Visor Insignia - with In-Wear Photos The 2nd Type of TN Visor Insignia was made of Metal, instead of Cloth. [The only 2 examples which I have examined, are made of Aluminum ? but I 'believe' that it is reasonable to also expect to find Nickel Silver examples, based up this time frame, when NS was also in common use.] This Insignia Type was the 1st TeNo Insignia of the Third Reich & thus it incorporated the Swastika, which was Rotated on end (45?), as the Central background. The letters "TN within a surrounding Cog Wheel" (of 15 Cogs) was centered over the swastika [There are No spokes within the Cog Wheel.] This Emblem was placed within a symmetrical Wreath (M?tzenkranz) of 4 Oak Leaves w 3 Acorns, on each side. The TN Insignia was produced by Assmann, & it is shown in their Catalog as being "Ges. Gesch." model. This 2nd Type of TN Visor Insignia was introduced about June 1934, just slightly ahead of the July 4, 1934, introduction of the TN Gorget & TN Flag. The TN Visor itself remained unchanged, except that a twisted 'chin cord' was added for Officers. It is 'believed' to have been Silver colored ? w a Golden color for the top 3 ranks. EM/NCO's continued wearing the leather chin cord. Since the "Wreath with Swastika/Cogwheel" Insignia was officially worn for less than 1 year ? this accounts for its rarity. ?. (I'm still Looking for one!) Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT- ? The 2nd TN Visor Insignia & 2 in-wear Photos.

Time Line of TeNo Visor Insignia - 1st Model 1st Model TeNo Visor Insignia Through specifically Collecting & Studying the TeNo ? TN for the past 10+ Yrs., I've seen a lot of Items & have learned from each of them. However, TeNo Collectors have learned the Most in only the last 3-4 years - both from Other Collectors & from 4 newly published Great Books! These TeNo 'must read' Books are: ? Dr. Andreas Linhardt's "TN in the Weimar Rep." ? ? Jerome/Nix's "Uniformed Police" ? ? Littlejohn/Saris' "Defending the Reich" and ? Angolia / Hugh Page Taylor's "German Police, Vol. 2." Previously, Collectors were left 'Wanting More Information' - as their were only 2-3 pages on the TeNo in the Davis Books, & a few others. The TN knowledge base has come a Long way, in a Short time ? due to these noted outstanding books & also due to Collector Interest. From All of the above, I 'believe' that Understanding of the Changes (& Variations) of TeNo Visor Insignia - is pretty 'well' Documented & it is much clearer. These changes of the 'Cloth & Metal M?tzenkranz & Eagle' Insignia of the TN Headgear, is a great subject for the Study & Discussion of their Evolution, from 1932-1945, IMO. As Collectors - for Each Item which we collect ? We'd like to Know: ? What the Item is? & Does it have any specific name(s)? ? Are there any known Variations? ? Why was it Authorized / Issued? ? What was the Time-frame that it was used? ? What was its Construction & any special Characteristics? ? If there is Period Documentation / Photos, of its being worn? ? & ? Anything else that we can learn about each Item! Hopefully, the following Posts will help in the understanding of the time line of the TeNo ? TN Visor Insignias (& their Variations.) 1st Model TN Visor Insignia - is the very 1st known "Type" of TN Headgear Insignia. ? INSIGNIA - The Insignia was a Dunkelblau wool Oval Patch, with "TN" in Bullion, in the center; surrounded by Bullion stylized leaves; (? 'looks' like Oak Leaves?) & then a fine Bullion double edging rim was applied. (No distinction between an Officer's model Oval vs. an EM/NCO's model Oval has been found, in TR Literature, Fotos or in Examples). The TN Oval was worn on a Dunkelblau Visor with a Leather Chin-Strap (for All Ranks) - above a simple Circular Cocquard. This Oval model was 'officially' in use from 1933-1934. (Since these Ovals were hand-embroidered ? many variations are seen.) ? INTRODUCTION DATE - Officially - the Visor OVAL was first mentioned in the "Mitteilungen der Technischen Nothilfe, June 1933." (Thanks to Wim. Saris for this information.) Along with the article, came an advertisement from Robert Lubstein (EREL) showing the new Nothelfer visored cap. See also "Vol. 2 German Police," pages 545 & 546. However, in contrast to the above date, I have a Foto of Landesf?hrer der TN, Gustav Curtze, wearing the TN Oval Insignia, & dated 1932. Perhaps some of the TN High Officers got the Oval 'Early' [1932]? ? or - the date on the Foto is incorrect? The first 'Documented & In Color' drawings of the Type 1 Insignia (& TN Uniforms) are found in "Uniformfibel" by the artist, Kn?tel, & which is dated as December 1933. All of this helps with the time line of the Type 1 TN Insignia. ? Txs, Dave/dblmed ATTACHMENT ? 2 Examples of the 1st TN Cloth Bullion Oval, & ? Photo of TN Landesf?hrer Gustav Curtze, wearing the TN Oval Insignia (& TN Armscheibe). Photo is dated, 1932.

Hi Phaidros! Welcome to the Forum! You started in the Right Spot - with your 1st Posting here. This is very nice added Information about the TN ? TeNo ? Technische Nothilfe & its successor Organization, the Technisches Hilfswerk (THW)! Yes, Dr. Andreas Linhardt's Web Site has some great TeNo Historical Information, and he only recently has Added an English Translation of his work, for those who don't speak German. I have his book, and enjoy the previously unknown information, historical accuracy, documentation (& Fotos) of this wonderful book! The THW Museum Link is also quite Interesting & Informative! Thanks! In reading about the TWH Museum, on the LEFT Menu Bar opening "Fotos" - (Nr. 7 from the Bottom), shows some of the Uniform Exhibits of the History of the TN & the THW. Hopefully, there will be the donation of Super TN Items (of all types) to the Museum! From speaking with some THW friends in Germany, I have learned that there will be a Special THW Museum Exhibition in January, 2010, honoring Otto Lummitzsch, who founded BOTH the TN and the THW! He was such an amazing man, and was highly Honored & Decorated by the German Federal Government. The new book, "German Police, Vol. 2" also contains a Dedication to the THW, on the 1st or 2nd page, and has a 200+ Chapter 19, on the TeNo (1919-1945.) It is the most complete Militaria and Collector's book about the TeNo, which has been written, IMO. As a TeNo collector, I have also collected a few THW Items - in order to better understand both the background of the TeNo (pre-TR), as well as the 'continuation' of the TeNo - as the THW. Thank you Phaidros for Posting & please share any items of your collection with us! ...Welcome! ... Dave/dblmed

Here is a collage TeNo-Police NCO Photo that I'd made up for Reference. It shows ALL of the correct TeNo-Police Insignia, on a great Robert Noss photo (featured also in "German Police, Vol. 2") - of the highest 6.1.1943 NCO Rank, a TeNo Meister (with > 12 years service.) ...... Txs, Dave/dblmed

Mike, Now that you have the Super TeNo-Police Tunic - the 'hunt' will be on for the: TeNo 'Traditions' Cog Sleeve Raute;Black TeNo-Police EM/NCO Sleeve Eagle;Period Shoulder Boards;Matching 'SS-Like' EM/NCO Collar TabsHere is a Photo Collage of the TeNo 'Traditions' Cog Sleeve Raute, both on the TeNo-Police Tunic, and 'loose.' ...... Txs, Dave/dblmed

Reposted the FRONT of Mike's TeNo-Police Tunic, so it's on the Same Page! TeNo-Police Tunic - FRONT .... Posted for Soldaten

TeNo-Police Tunic - effective use of June 1, 1943-May 8, 1945 TeNo-Police Tunic - INTERIOR - FULL .... Posted for Soldaten

TeNo-Police Tunic - effective use of June 1, 1943-May 8, 1945 TeNo-Police Tunic -INTERIOR w TeNo Emblem Marking .... Posted for Soldaten

Hi Mike - I 'snatched' your TeNo-Police Tunic off of Flicker, and resized them for the Thread, so that they are easier to See. CONGRATS! You do indeed have a quite rare TeNo-Police Tunic! It matches with ALL which I've seen (only 2) & ALL which I have personally examined (only 2) - so yours makes only 5 of these TeNo-Police Tunics. (As are currently Known to the Forums, but also 'probably' a vert few may also exist in other Collections.) TeNo-Police Tunic - FRONT .... Posted for Soldaten

Mike, that's Great! ANY TeNo Tunic / Uniform is a very special find! Look forward to seeing your Photos of it! Post a LOT of Photos - So that we can enjoy the Details of these Rare Finds! ...Txs, Dave/dblmed

Soldaten - the nice Shoulder Boards which you show WERE, Yes, Previously Identified, as being for the late war (> June 1, 1943 TeNo). For a very long time - I also thought that these were TeNo Boards as well! (I also have examples of your type Board, which I have collected!) They were ID's as being for the Rank of Unterwachtmeister der TeNo. The problem, in the Past, has been that TeNo Rank Charts were printed in Black & White - so, there was plenty of room, for potential confusion of the Actual Colors. However, inn the new book, "German Police, Vol. 2" has solved the prior 'Mystery' of Color. The Author, Hugh Page Taylor, reviewed the actual written description of the late war (3rd Rank Change) of the TeNo Insignia. From his research, using a copy of the actual 1945 "Taschenbuch die Deutsche Polizei, fur die Technische Nothilfe" - he has ID'd this TeNo Rank Shoulder Board COLOR, as being: "....Police Brown (a Middle Brown) inner cording (NOT Black), with Outer Rim (Cord) of Black, with Silver Chevrons ("V's"), and Backing of solid Black Color..." Your Posted Shoulder Board is consistent with the Bahnschutz Shoulder Board of 1936-1941 (minus the Banschutz 'wings'. (This same configuration Board was also used by the Police, Post War, in Neidersachen(? I believe?). Early Post War Shoulder Boards, do not "Glow" under UV Light, so that just Adds to the potential Confusion!) Jiri Libal, Sr. (a noted TR Historian) has a PHENOMENAL Chart of Almost ALL of the TR Polizei & Associated Groups (such as the TeNo) at: http://www.tenzor.cz/lbsr/dr/uf/sch_pol-wchtm.html Jiri studies the TR Period Regulations & he is the reference for historical Accuracy! ? TeNo Shoulder Boards are about 1/2 way down the Chart (but do Not show this specific Rank, Unfortunately. ? Banschutz Shoulder Boards are about 3/4 way down the Chart. (Which shows your Board.) Also, your Shoulder Board is seen on Reichsbahnschutz / Eisenbahn Reference: http://www.eisenbahnraritaeten.de/Rangabze...bahnschutz.html Please Post other TeNo items from your Collection! .....Txs, Dave/dblmed

Hi Camonut! As your time permits - send me additional Photos of your 1-of-a-Kind TeNo Einsatztruppen Tunic, & I'll gladly re-size them for Posting, for you. You have a 'Dream' TeNo Tunic, which has only been seen in Photos, previously! Best... Dave/dblmed

Thanks Gary! It's Always a Special Treat to see the Amazing Depth & Variety of your World Class Collection! Plus, it is so very Educational to see so Many Polizei Items - which we would Never see Otherwise! Keep them coming! ... Best, Dave/dblmed