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This is, I guess, some sort of resolution. Time to collect other things . . . .

the temptation to do so is extremly strong in that kind of black day...

83 years is quite a correct age (if there could be aynone), and it is even a nice "statistic" if you compare to average russian population... and a lot of soviet elite died earlier, between 65-75 years (look at Chernenko, Brejnev, Joukov or ...Eltsin!).

what have been the sanctions pronounced against him for supporting the 1991 coup?

hello Bifter! seeing pcitures of your orders would be a nice thing!

What do I think??

I'm sorry, I forgot to post the reverse. I bought it from russian dealers; I haven't been seeing of of them for many years in Paris! I'm not convinced they knew what they were selling. They had a vast majority of fakes, and more russian decos than soviet ones.

This badge is made of aluminium, but the suspension is made of an heavy alloy; it looks very close to another pic I found on the "other" forum.

hello gentlemen, what do you think of this piece picked up this afternoon in Paris?

Christian!

I think this is known fact.

Who create " a scientific and phaleristic meaning " ?

We - Collectors !!!

There are different reverses,rivets and of course number!

hello Anatoly. The first type doesn't seem to be mint-marked... Am I right?

I don't know. It certainly seems brass from the front and is "heavier" than pure aluminium, but here's the back. I got it very cheap last year at a gun show. The enamel is perfect.

well, it looks like a metal alloy heavier than aluminium can used elsewhere. I love the suspension device; everything looks authentic; I'd jump on such a piece in a militaria fair!

Bifter, we are all (mostly) serious collectors here and not a few of those here are very,very serious (Senior NCO and officers are not renowned for their silliness) types, so please speak as if you are addressing an adult.

If you wish to be taken seriously here and have others respond to you, then please use adult English. Good spelling and grammar is optional, but preferred.

Having said that I would be very grateful if you'd post your Democratic Republic of Yemen medals. I would love to see them and I know others would as well (esp. Ed and Owain).

Below is my only Vietnamese medal. There is also a Communist party badge with it.

hello! thanks a lot for this picture... this order looks like it was made of brass, and not aluminium as for most vietnamese orders. Am I right?

Thanks!

Those are post war versions. Price around 7-10 euros.

hello gentlemen, what would be the average price for a soviet-made version?

This is also another award given for more 'valiant' acts of supressing the Revolution. Order of Merit of Hungarian Freedom in Bronze (there was also a silver grade) Of both grades about 2150 were awarded in total.

thanks a lot for all these detailled facts. A friend of mine found it in Paris, while looking for communist periode awards (suc as National Flag order). I don't believe he'll keep it ; I suppose he'll be happy to sell or trade it.

From my source (a limited run book on the 1956 awards that was photographed!) This is the Order of Hungarian Freedom Ist Class for Nationals. Similar breast star with black enameled cross is for foreigners.

so a non-communist award? Can we consider it as a rare piece?

hello gentlemen, my documentation is too poor to help me identify this order...

thanks fotr yours lights!

so we would have at the date of the photo: Leningrad defense - leningrad 250 years foundation - 30 years of soviet forces - 40 years ofd soviet forces and a 3rd class of irreprochable service.

Yes, the long service "wings" which I've never seen worn WITH the M1958 long service medals before. 2nd Ribbon is 1957 Leningrad Jubilee.

hello Rick, I was wondering about the 250 years of Leningrad too... but wasn'it in the LAST position in theory? Or what was its position following 1950ies regulations?

hello, I've a proposition: first, on the right is a brevet for long service in the soviet navy.

On the left the first ribon could be a campaign medal. 3rd, 4th and 5th could be 30 years, 40 years of soviet army and an irreprochable service 3rd class. I haven't the slightest idea about the 2nd ribon...

I think Stalin was the firts person who united the concept of Marxism Leninism as a theoretical and practical concept. Lenin wouldn't have used the term Leninism! (The same is true of Stalin 'Stalinism').

People like Enver Hoxha, Kim il Sung and even Mao still talked of Marxism Leninism following the definitions laid out by Stalin in his book 'Problems of Leninism'.

So I think that the list ought to be Marx, Engels, and Lenin.

With significant contributions from Stalin et al!

but I think we digress...

Oh and as a thought is there a Chinese Order of Mao?

Stalin proposed a vulgate from the marxist-leninist doctrina... I believe Lenin was the first to engage marxism in a successfull revolutionnary practice, as many researchers outlined his opportunism to create a revolution in the least developped counrtry of europe, Russia.

In that case only Marx and Engels, the rest are really followers

not really, because we're trying to gather state orders dedicated to first leaders. Engels has its prize, which is a specific category in the german award system... And Engels is forever second after Marx, so...

We may need to define "leader", otherwise we'll have to contend with the whole stable of Cuban awards named after EVERYONE.

If we go with the medals in the Lenin-Sukhbaatar-Dimitrov-Gottwald-Marx-Mart? (not Guevera)-Ho-Kim series (things that actually existed and were awarded), then we have a useful comparative set of things in the same phaleristic ecological niche. Otherwise . . . .

The only ones I can offer for the compartative visual gallery:

Ed is right, otherwise we'll get lost in the jungle of "prizes" of all kinds...

Andropov-Medal

Gentlemen,

as far, as I know, the CCCP or RF issued a Andropov-Medal for meritorious workers in the secret service ?

Best regards

Christian

I'm not sure it is an offical awward...

Friedrich Engels & Teddy Th?lmann

Gentlemen,

I guess, that the DDR (GDR) had awards dealing with Engels and Th?lmann ?

Best regards

Christian

hello, Friedrich Engels has his dedicated Prize, for military works; an award declined in 3 classes. E.Th?lmann didn't have his medal but only badges for FDJ organisation. We see Thalmann face on the "Fighter against fascism" state medal.

the letters "MPC" indicating Minister for Railroad on se screwplate seems original...

Poland didn't follow this tradition too; their supreme order was the "Builders of People's Poland".

Same thing about Romania: Tudor Vladimirescu was a national hero in the fighting against Ottoman power, but the dedicated order was not the most important of the romanian system. Maybe the Star of Romania was this supreme order, but I'm not sure at all.

Albania used a national hero, non-communist, for his Skanderberg order.

We forgot about Cuba: the supreme order was the order of Jose Marti, another national hero for independance.

I believe they're made of aluminiumand covered with a thick translucid enamel paint.

please add the order of Klement Gotwald for former CSSR...

hello gentlemen, here's a scan of the first page of a booklet for a distinguished labor medal, awarded in 1977.

I need your experience because I can't find the nationality of the recipient's name; the only thing I'm almost certain he was not russian.

Thanks by advance!