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My friend bought the badge from Manions the Oblt Fritz Ritter Von Roth a couple years ago there is a PLM engraved on the back it even has a Manions C.O.A with it signed by Manions I called them about it and they would not tell me anything about the sale nor could they find any records but the C.O.A. is the only record.My friend is sending it to me it will be here monday I will post photos of it.The recent grouping for $30.000 with the cased pilots badge with the PLM on the back disappeard after being on for a couple weeks and they have no info on that either when I called? My friend bought a PLM in the same auction as the cut out that says period 1918 jewlers example with C.O.A. again.You have got to see these. The photos I have now are too big to post even after I shrunk them I will have the badge monday and reshoot it.It is a cut out Bavarian named with a PLM on the back.I need some advice please. smaller.bmp

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I have this medal it is marked 16 karat Gold and tests 16 k als.o It is named on the back to a J Weston Harding 1948-49 and has the big letters DZ and scales on the front.Does anyone know what it is? 444444.bmp

I collect artifacts too this is a Saxon buckle fit for a king my favorite in my collection, Nice piece I have a few myself like this.

Wow it sounds like every German soldier stood straight in line no souvineers for them.I don't know what army you are refering to but it sounds like one that you may have seen in a movie to think that German's were not allowed and did not pick up souvineers or trophies of war is obsurd and ridiculous.They did not even have food or proper equipment sent to them on the eastern front in nearing the end do you think some one cared or not if they picked up a medal like this.This medal is 1941 or later not 1936. Honestly I think the German soldiers were not robots they were no different than their enemy.I agree about proff with you but for such low number of produced items there many not be much proff nor is there any proff of other items produced in low numbers during the war like jewlers copy knights crosses.I am 100% sure the item is authentic period. I think it is priceless to me and I have not tried to sell it nor market it.I was just looking for information.Thank you for your input and have a good day.

Here is the other posting with more information.Thank you very much for your help. I am still learning how to use this website.Take care http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2309...rder+Iron+Cross

I spoke to the vet himself he is 93 years old he swears by it and I belive him his son swears by it also.I agree vets picked things up in the late 50's 60's 70's etc. I have had that happen before with a guy who said he had a Mussolini hat and it turned out to be a General's hat and most of these guys are so old they don't remember much of anything.His son played with the cross when he was a boy he even remembers it clearly because it was different for the others his father has.I got allot of stuff fom this guy including SS collar tabs which he collected during the war all have been correct and not single bad one.I am 100% sure he brought this back from the war.It dosen't matter if others don't belive me I know what I have if these were fantasy there would be allot made and alllot more around.I don't know how they made them they ? Even down to the paint is exact as a German one.I found a Russian web site that confirms the made them but it does not say how many only that they distributed them on the front .It did not say anything about first class ones just these and it did not give a number of how many were made.I hope any one who has one will post theirs and their history about it. This web site sold one here Wwii Russian Propaganda Iron Cross, Robbery & Murd WWII RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA IRON CROSS, ROBBERY & MURD WWII Russian Iron Cross for robbery and murder propaganda. Rare Russian issue propaganda iron cross, German iron cross with words "" FUR RAUB UND MORD"" (robbery and murder). $150 - 300 March Militaria & Firearm Auction Saturday, March 1st at 10:00AM EST Preview The Entire Catalog @ www.AffiliatedAuctions.com Over 600 Lots: Edged Weapons, Firearms, Badges & Awards, Photos, Uniforms, Helmets, Documents & Ephemera http://www.proxibid.com/asp/CatalogPrint.asp?aid=10979

Every one has their own thoughts and I respect that I just hope more information will come to light some day.

Every one is entiltled to their own opinion but your opinion and the truth are two different things sorry to say.Skeptics are usually safer in the collecting world but some times they miss the boat too.

Thank you very much for your help. Sorry my error in translation Robbery not Rape. This is a very interesting forum to hear all the different opinions. For all the non belivers the family even offered an affidavit that their family attorney would draw up attesting to the fact the guy brought the medal home from the war.

I understand your opinion and respect it. I though also when they told me about it at first that it was untrue. After seeing all the guys stuff and hearing the history I know that the cross was brought back with him and they have no reason to lie about it.In this day and age of collecting I question everything myself and you have to be skeptical of everything.I think there were many forms or propaghnda during WW2 but you have to understand a Russians mind to understand why they would make such a thing.A award or medal to a Russian was a high honor and achevment and to discrace and dishonor one of the enemys highest awards would be the equivlent of burning the American flag today.Being a quality made medal is also allot of phsychogy involved too it was not just a piece of junk if a guy picked it up he would not just throw it away like a propaghanda leaflet he would probably put it in his pocket and bring it home and think about it or show it to other soldiers.It is not just a cross with with a statement there is allot more involved and meant by it. I also forgot to add it has a magnetic core.Thank you for your input and take care.

I found this medal in aknights cross box as the GI found it.I bought it from a 101st Airborne vet they found it in a SS officers house while clearing it.I was told only 500 were made and dropped on the Eastern front.Does anyone know anything about it? Or value?