Daniel Krause

Quite odd as I have Kraewel with a RAO2 with swords and a KO2 with star and swords, but no Hohenzollern...

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Daniel

The 4 ladies with the EK2 in WW1 in my list are:

Frieda Gessert,

Elfriede Scherhans, geb. Buchholz

Sophie Gräfin zu Törring-Jettenbach,

Lonny Hertha von Versen.

Not sure if Dr. Reimer did indeed get one.

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Daniel

Emil Hell

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Daniel

No, no Schill in the lists.

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Daniel

...and here you have a fitting face to the bar :-)

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Daniel

Hi Peter, 

No Alvensleben.

It belonged to General Georg Hartmann Freiherr THUMB v.NEUBURG

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Daniel
 

Nice!!!

The bios are from regimental officers lists.

I do not exactly remember which ones.

I did the ID of that bar to my late friend Peter Groch many years ago.

Unfortunately , no pic of him in my files.

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Daniel 

hmpf. confusing...

DAAAAVE, can you help?

I have the IR 30 guy with the HOH3X as Hermann, 

Siegfried, acc. my list is the DR 21 Officer with the Zähringer Löwen and no HOH3X...

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Daniel

is the name Siegfried mentioned at the backside?

Would guess, it would be Hermann from IR 30.

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Daniel

On 01/12/2021 at 20:23, Dave Danner said:

The Oldenburg Oberlehrer Hermann Becker was a Lt.d.R. in RIR 440. Hermann Gustav Wilhelm Becker, born on 24.3.1885 in Hekese, Bersenbrück, died on 8.1.1974 in Oldenburg. Known decorations are the HOH3X, BremH, OK1 and Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. He was a junior Oberlehrer during WWI, with a Dienstalter of 1.10.1912, and he was named an Oberstudienrat on 1.4.1940, so he likely also had the Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen.

Edited Wednesday at 20:27 by Dave Danner

Hi Dave,

might that be the LtdR Becker from IR 44??

HOH3X published in Oct 18?

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Daniel

Hi Chuck,

I have no idea.

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Daniel 

to keep this alive,

here a bar, whch Rick and I discussed many years ago.

We thought it might be a fake, until we found a pic of that guy.

LtCol Karl Schiller

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Daniel

No.

As an Officer in the Prussian Army, active or not, he was a "Königlicher", - "Royal" Oberarzt.

A Navy guy would  be a "Kaiserlicher" - "Imperial", as the Navy was a Reichs- issue.

If he would be related or better professionally connected to the Baden Family, he would be addresses a "großherzoglicher"

"Hochwohlgeboren" was the courtesy title for all Officers, if they did not deserve something higher due to their noble status.

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Daniel

Becker - Oberlehrer indicates, he might be already a bit older.

The Hptm d.R. in IR 364 was a Hermann, maybe him?

At least it seems he was no native Oldenburger, otherwise he "must" have gotten a Oldenburger Order of Merit with swords parallel to his HOH3X.

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Daniel

 Thank you all!!

still no first namens for the Langes from RIR 39 and 75...

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Daniel

great stuff!

Its Schuermann in the list.

a bit of statistic;

We have already first names for about 75 percent of the guys,

59 percent birth years,

42 percent death years.

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Daniel

thanks!!!

Otto Kahlert was surprisingly never mentioned in one of the official sources, but in the Regimental History of FAR 107.

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Daniel

Nope. Not at all.

Vets of the wars of unification, active soldiers, does not matter on which kind of service.

Reserve guys who were not actively serving at that time did not get it.

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Daniel 

Good stuff, thanks a lot!!!

Schimpff and  Nicolai - both got the Schwarzburg 3rd class with swords... No Hohenzollern as fas as we know.

I've seen data from Dave's NARA-files about Schimpff, who was a Colonel in WW2, no Hohenzollern in.

MAYBE the news got it wrong...

Göricke got a HEK3X.

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Daniel

Nice one!

Most likely the Bavarian at the end should have swords, which are not shown here.

The Bav. MVO was never awarded on the war ribbon without swords.

2 scenarions, which I see here;

Reserve / Landwehr / Seewehr Officer at Major-level, with an Landwehr Long Service who did NOT serve active in 1897 to get the Centenary

Or active Officer, MAjor-level as well, entered service just after 1897 and accumulated enough "time in" to get a DA XXV in 1919/1920 at the De-Mobilisation.

I would bet on the 1st scenario.

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Daniel

Here is the backside on my bar, mentioned above.

From my experience, there were less bars like this in the early 1900s but far more in the middle of the 1800s. Might be a fashion thing, might be a Financial thing... who knows...

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Daniel

This chap liked that style of bars too.

Hello,

here an example:

This bar has 5 hooks at the back to put all the awards on.

see 

I have seen Officers up to General ranks with that style of bars.

Not common, but not overly rare as well.

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Daniel

Hans Karl August Ernst Wilhelm von TRESCKOW, 1863-1934

was Hauptmann der Reserve a.D. in Ersatzbataillon Jägerbataillon 7

in civil live Kriminalinspektor in Berlin

RAO4, KO4, EK2, PEZsH, LD1, AB3a, MG3, OV3b, GSF3b, EH3b, SLK, VAs, CDIII3, RSt3, TO4, ToskMV3

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Daniel