Daniel Krause

pls delete the "swords to the BMV4Kr" - he did not get anything from Bavaria in WW1.

And - Bavaria did not award "swords to something" in WW1 in general.

If somebody had a peacetime class, he could get another one with swords and wear both the same time.

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Daniel

Ähhh... I would put this names in the pot: 

Hertell, Günther v.    M Adj 14.AK, OaD IR 393    RAO4, HOH3X, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, SA3b, SLH4, ÖFJ4        1925
Hintze, Alfred    H 4.IngI, M PB 14, OTLaD StOPi 158    HOH3X, HEK3aX, BZ3aX    1872
Noack, Dr.Max    SA TB 3, OSA 28.ID    HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BRJM    1876
Quadt-Wykradt-Hüchtenbruck, Victor Friedr.Wilh.Karl Walter Frhr.    HzD LwB Stockach, M LStIB Freiburg, OTLaD    RAO4, EK1, Joh, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BMO5Kr, JK4    1870    1944

Sator, Hans    OKrGerRat 14.AK    RAO4, EK2, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BLD1    1860
Schmid, Josef    FPostMstr 14.AK    EK2, LD2, HEK3aX, BZ3aX
Werder, Gg.v.    M Kdr II.LstIB Lörrach XIV/37    HEK3aX, BZ3aX
 

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Daniel

Prussian Red Cross Medal 1st class - the little pinback cross.

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Daniel

nearly everything ?

HOH2aX, RKM1, BZ1X, BMV1X, BrK2, BH, HH, LüH, MMV2, OK1, SA1X, SLK, WF1X, ÖFJ1K, TM3

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Daniel

Yes. Always in front of any other peacetime decoration, even the Orders , but after wartime awards like the EK ans Orders with swords.

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Daniel

Thanks a lot!!!

Untucht got the Luebeck Hanseatenkreuz as Lt in 5. Landwehr-InfBrig.

Geigel is Heinrich Geigl.

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Daniel

Hmpf.... first of all, a very interesting item.

If Rick could not do it, its definetly not easy.

It would be interesting as well, if all Orders are Gold or are there silver gilt pieces on it.

Esp.. the red bird, the Ernestinian and the centers of the Albert. 

Definetly no military type, pure civilian, so my crystal ball is useless, would have to check the prussian court and state handbooks around the 1890ies and early 1900 by hand.

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Daniel

Indeed.

Rautenkrone would be abbreviated SRK.

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Daniel 

MStMV2T - 2. Klasse mit der Inschrift "Für Tapferkeit"

EH1X - Ernestinian, right.

HOH1aX - Star of the Grand Commander

HOH2aX - Star of the Commander

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Daniel

In WW1 he's got everything ?

HOH1aX, HOH2aX, HEK1X X zu, BBI1X, BMVGKX, BrK2, BH, HH, HT, MMV1, MStMV1, MStMV2T, OK1, RK, SH3, EH1X, SLK, WK1X X zu, ÖM1K

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Daniel

we are mixing things up here.

German ROYALS did wear lower classes as well as grand crosses to show their "unity" with the "mortal" people as well.

Decorations of the Red Eagle with swords and with the crown were always worn together with the later awarded higher classes, as this were kind of special classes, not the normal regularly awarded "long service" gongs.

On the Kings Eduards bar, I see as well a Prussian Crowen Order 3rd class on the special memorial ribbon for the wars of unification and a Austrian Marianer Cross of the Teutonic knights.

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Daniel

Great!!!

J. Fisser got the ÖM3K as Lt in IR 78.

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Daniel

Six.

And for sure they could wear both together.

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Daniel

Swords to the RAO2 with oaks in 1916

Star with swords to the RAO2 in 1917.

No KO1 as far as I know.

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Daniel

Not in the Generals ranks.

The Hohenzollern knight was the semi official pre pour le merite award up to LtCol.

The higher grades of the Hohenzollern for Generals are quite exclusive.

They did get Red Eagles and Crwon Orders with swords.

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Daniel 

No HOH for Manfred.

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Daniel

I was even wondering, why he did get one.

I would expect a military merit cross, which was the basic award for German officers as well, or even an Iron Crown 2nd class...

But it is proven in the Austrian Schematismus, that he did get the Leopold in 1917.

Who knows why... sometimes the Austrian awards to Germans did not always follow strict rules...?

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Daniel

Hello Lew,

a pretty nice Project!

Buy please

- an EK2 (obvious)

- a Saxon KVK (obvious as well)

- a Saxon Officers long service cross

- a Prussian KO4

- a Centenary (obvious as well)

- a Wuerttemberg Frederick knight 1st class without swords

- an Austrian Leopold knight with war decoration

If you want to make the group complete, buy a Saxon Merit Order Commander, an Albrecht Commander and a Bavarian Military Merit Order 2nd class.

... and put a name tag on it which says

Generalleutnant a.D. Kurt Alphons STARK, 1858-1934

Commander of Truppenübungsplatz Königsbrück and Inspekteur der Kriegsgefangenenlager.

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Daniel

Brandensteins WW1 stuff was 

Plm, KO2X, BMV3XKr, HT, MMV1, OK1, something Finnish and ÖM3K.

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Daniel

Yes. WK2cX f. WK3X - officers cross instead of the earlier awarded knights cross.

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Daniel

Awards? Many from everywhere.

RAO4, HOH3X, BMV3X, BMV4XKr, BrK2, HH, OK1, SA3aXKr, SEK2, WK2cX f.WK3X, BA2, DD2b, JM4, ÖEK3K, ÖFJ3, ÖM3K, SS2b, TM2, TI2X, TH

You need some award rolls ? did I mention that before?

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Daniel

Robert got quite alot.

Wuerttemberg Frederick knight 1st class with swords,

Prussian EK1,

German KVK1 with swords in WW2

Ernestinian House Order knight 2nd class

Finnland war medal 1918

Austrian Military merit cross and pilots badge

Turkisch Osmanie 4th class, Liakat medal in silver with sabres and the Half Moon.

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Daniel

Last one is most likely the Prussian Coronation medal 1861.

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Daniel

Great achievement!!!

Thanks a lot!!!

To find the remaining 50 active guys will be a quite hard task.

Maybe the one or other might still turn up when Dave Danner might find some more in one of his projects or if we stumble across an award document.

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Daniel

Hi Chris,

Eugen got a princely HEK3X in IR 363

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Daniel