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Testing the rule for 8th class orders Please take a look at the following two photo galleries.

That’s all folks! You won’t need litmus paper to perform this test – that’s for sure! Ok. Now it’s time for some performance testing.

Showa vein

Taisho vein

Meiji vein

Ok. After finding this sacrament vein all you need to do is to see where it ends (in relation to leaf indentation). They say there could be three scenarios.

vein

The Rule The rule is simple. It states that all you need for exact dating of rising suns in two lower classes (some collectors applied this rule to all classes) is 3rd curling vein in the leaf counting out from the bottom. Here you can see this spot.

Yep. For many years this rule circulates among our fellow collectors. But does this rule really works? Let’s test it! But before that allow me to help you out with this tricky approach ;)

Dangerous and misleading mystery – this is the motto of our new thread I hope that courteous readers remember about this easiest way to dating rising suns.

This is really interesting info Rich! Now we have some empirical evidence for explanation of clouds quantitative dominance. Thanks a lot!!! Cheers, Nick

Rich I guess your idea is Clouds is a military order. Our military men have done some nice civil job. So they should get some awards. But since they are military men they will get clouds and not pillars . Correct? Or last sentence should be read as ... ... ... Of course merit awards and not longevity awards - that's why clouds and not pillars. Cheers, Nick

Well I am a little confused here Rich. In that case (I mean non-military activities) shouldn't they all got pillars? If of course pillars=sacred treasures. I don't think that sacred treasure is "pure longevity award" and doesn't work as "award-for-actual-deed". And of course sacred treasures (pillars) should be more "suitable" as rewards for non-military merit. What do you think? P.S. Private manufacturers back in 1967. Nice touch

Here comes very interesting but incomplete chronology of key medal/order events in Manchu (excerpts from the article of Paul L.T. Kua "Manchukuo's Award System & some of its Lesser Known Awards" published in 1998 by OMSA journal (most materials for this chronology comes from Mun Zhou Guo Shi (The History of Manchukuo) (in Chinese), Vol. 1, Chapter 5, pp. 62-66) Date Event 9/5/1934. 1st award of 10 orders/decorations to Zhang Jinghui & other military officers. 2/6/1934 2nd award of 28 orders/decorations to Zheng Xiaoshou (Prime minister) & other 21/9/1935 Imperial edict #116, “Imperial Visit to Japan Commemorative Medal”. 28/12/1935 Award of 2,458 Imperial Visit to Japan Commemorative Medals. 28/11/1935 3rd award of 4,097 orders/decorations to officers of the Japanese Kwantung Army. 3/1/1936 4th award of 638 orders/decorations to civil servants. 10/2/1936 5th award of 315 orders/decorations. 29/2/1936 6th award of 1,779 orders/decorations. 10/6/1936 7th award of 1,574 orders/decorations. 14/9/1936 Imperial edict #142, Revised “Laws and Regulations Concerning Orders and Decorations” to include Order of the Pillars of State. 2/1937 Award of 2,400 orders/decorations to provincial/local civil servants. 14/7/1938 Imperial edict, “Merit Medals”, establishing 5 types of civilian Merit Medals. 11/1940 Imperial edict #310, “Border Incident War Medal.” 11/10/1943 Imperial edict, “Awarding Perseverance”, establishing a Perseverance Merit Badge and a Perseverance Badge, as well as a Perseverance Award Certificate. 19/12/1944 Imperial edicts establishing civil service and local administration merit awards.

Agree. But maybe this "military gets clouds" practice was only some kind unofficial formal rule? Nevertheless I saw documents for 8 class clouds written for chinese civil collaborators. Anyway it's very strange that see only clouds... Strange and still unexplained...

Yep. This is quite strange and could be explained by "pillars were for civil merit" and "clouds were for military merit". And again maybe this is why we see dominance of clouds in quantitative terms. Kwantun army (関東軍) with its 1 000 000 men was certainly a fertile soil for clouds

Not mystery... Only speculations :lol:

Hope you`ll like this one Rich Cheers, Nick

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