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    JapanX

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    1. Obverse
    2. But not all japanese orders were so lucky! Some were converted not in jewelry workshop, but in prison camps after WW II. Here is a nice example of such piece. It was found couple of years ago in Kolyma near Hatynng-nah village during routine goldfield works (flushing of the sands on stream “red”). Probably it came from one of the prison camps that were there back in late 40s (from prisoner or guard). Just to give you a general idea about this place - today (14/12/11) temperature in Hatynng-nah village is - 38 °C (-36,4 °F).
    3. Hi Mickey It may be... Or this drop may be a consequence of introduction "only dead will get his Kite" practice... Or was it material problems? Which resulted in "let's postpone the actual issuing of the awards to the next of kin"? They didn't even issue the standard classical documents for kites after 1940 ... There are a many different possibilities... Cheers, Nick
    4. False statement! Actually there is a regulation established back in 1894, that lists in every detail the acts of bravery that count for a Golden Kite order. It includes 80 different articles!
    5. In addition to one possible explanation of very high number of awards reported by Peterson in his book. After 1941 every recipient of golden kite award should a) commit extraordinary act of bravery b) be dead If these two points were accomplished, then he simultaneously was promoted and awarded with golden kite order (with class appropriate to his rank). For example kamikaze pilot chief petty officer Kazuo Tanaka was killed 6th April 1945. He was posthumously promoted to ensign and awarded with 4th class golden kite order (still unbelievably "no-way-it-could-happen-before-1941" high class for ensign!!!). Just to remind you gents - ensign is a junior rank of a commissioned officer (same as fähnrich in German army). It will be quite realistic to assume that this practice maybe be the main reason behind such high number of awards made.
    6. Could you post these numbers? If it is possible of course ;)
    7. This is the end of today little story. It will be nice to hear your comments dear colleagues. Cheers, Nick
    8. Is this metal covered with rust? I think NO. I think this is one of many tricks that patina has for us. ;)
    9. Like this one
    10. Maybe this one? So where are Peterson late rough unpolished metal pieces? I don’t know. Maybe they were produced in such little quantities, that now they are even more rarity than Bukosho badges? Do they exist at all? I don’t know. As I said earlier I’ve never laid my hands on one of these late pieces. But sometimes I meet strange looking 7th class badges.
    11. But nevertheless the quality is still very high if not superb! I couldn’t believe that this “late” piece was created by some mythical “Manchukuo mint” back in 1944 or 1945. My main concern here is economical rationality of such creation. Why create a new mint? The costs are way too high (just trust me on that folks ). Especially if one will take into account comparatively small number of awards made. But remote (“remote” from my point of view of course) probability is still exists that this pieces were produced by “Manchukuo mint” which was created because of some kind prestigio reason.
    12. Close-ups
    13. General view
    14. The third stable feature (in addition to reverses workmanship) of the allegedly-late-war-Manchukuo-made-pillars is suspension in the form of kaoliang. Take a close look at form and diameter of “stamens” …
    15. Centers
    16. The second stable feature (in addition to reverses workmanship) of the allegedly-late-war-Manchukuo-made-pillars is glassier, more transparent enamel in color lines of central octahedron and larger diameter of points along central octahedron perimeter. Just take a look at this compilation.
    17. Striking differences! Often you could hear that badges with non-polished reverses are definitely from the late war period. Sometimes speaker even add that unpolished pillars are made by Manchukuo mint itself (I am not even aware that that there was Manchukuo mint!? I think that all orders and most badges were made by Japanese mint and only some badges were manufactured inside occupied China. The quality of manufacturing and technology itself are very very japanese).
    18. Reverses
    19. But please note, that both specimens have very similar and high quality manufactured obverses. And now the reverses of two “early” and “late” 4th (or, if you wish, 5th) classes.
    20. Reverses
    21. Obverses
    22. “Manchukuo-made” “late” pillar pieces – do they really “late” and “Manchukuo-made”? We find the same pattern (polished/sandblasted reverses) on the Manchukuo Pillars of the State orders (the gem of japanese phaleristics!). Here is an example of two 3rd classes of pillars .
    23. Any documented groups from late 30s and 1943-1945 period? I never see any documented group on this time period (which is of course no proof that such group (or groups) doesn’t exists somewhere). Actually even if this group exists it can be accepted as sufficient prove that badges with unpolished reverses were made only during 1943-1945 time period. No records of their production exist to my knowledge. They could be as well as “early” kites as well as “late” kites or both.
    24. Ok. I think it’s clear that these ones are not the awards that Peterson was taking about in his book. No way! But do they “early” or “late”? No way to tell for sure. I think that polished/unpolished reverses can easily be a result of different batches, which can be manufactured simultaneously by different mint workshops. Why not? The only arbiter here could be 100% proof documented group with such kites in it.
    25. The quality is definitely not late-war-quality.
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