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Pay special attention to the central cabochon. In our fake manufacturing fabric we are not saving on enamel works. Be careful - you can kill somebody with this thing.

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Today special – fakes. Here is a little appetizer (classic chinese cuisine – nothing special, but nice and fresh design of rising sun breast star).

There is a probability, that another type of rosette for red cross order existed with this attachment. Usually you could find this rosettes in boxes for woman version of sacred treasure orders.

Actually I think that type 1 rosette for early order of red cross should exists somewhere. Of course it will be without pin and with white buttom. Will look something like that piece. But I`ve never seen it.

Nice classification mate Here comes my time attribution. Type 1 (never saw this type in an order box) end of 19th century-1920 Type 2-4 1930-mid 60s (actually I've once found type 2 in the box for (and with ) the first type of red cross order! (remember your discussion of this type you had with Josef?) Type 5-6 1970-present time (type 6) The main problem is precise dating of types 2-4. Type 2 could be found in all kind of boxes (wooden, lacquered and no-wood-god-only-knows-from-what-made boxes). Same may be true in case of type 3-4??? I don't know. But type 2 is very "scattered". We have no guarantees that types 2-3 (or even 4!) came exclusively from before-WWII period. I think that we all agree that this equality Order manufacturer = Rosette manufacturer = Box manufacturer doesn't hold. At least there is a huge probability that it doesn't hold. That's why I don't like the idea of dating the orders by the rosettes (or boxes). We couldn't even precisely dated every type of rosette! Cheers mate, Nick P.S. A piece of advice - get a life! I know I know - looks who's talking! :lol:

Another classification? Do you really think my classifications are popular? Look around. Check this out mate. Its only me and you . Nobody else around Of course I`ll do it. Give me some time and I`ll need every photo piece you could provide. I think its a synonym of cardboard and is used in case of multilayer cardboard (I think it should be written as a solid word). You are real pain in the neck! That who you are! :lol: Cheers mate, Nick

Will wait from 12 till 15 by SF time. Hope our colleagues will go along P.S. I thought you are not working! So you practically don`t sleep and work a lot.... Bummer... :cat:

Yep. But still too small for the ribbon. I think this one is close relative of your piece. Only different manufacturer. This is actually the piece from the chain that our collegue show us three year ago P.S. We should get together in chart room one day mate. Perhaps today? At 1 o`clock AM (by Moscow time) and 2 o`clock PM (by SF time). Maybe even our collegues will join us. What do think?

Sorry mate, I would like to agree, but.... a) there are a probability (and not small) that all this types for some time were in use simultaneously (I mean stick-pin rossete and two versions of pin rosettes) b) I wonder where is button rosettes in your time distrubution (hope you will agree that they are from 30s) In tote very speculative. To attribute orders by the type of rosettes... Its like attributing soviet orders only by the screw type ... Rosette is not necessary or sufficient criterion for attributation of japanese orders. This is my point of view. And I hope you will agree.

The real destiny of your little baby Dieter...

...and wise I'll post a good photo for you tomorrow.

In fact you've seen. You just forgot all about it http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/40439-2600th-year-anniversary-miniature/ Cheers, Nick

??? Could you explain this construction conventions for doubting Thomas Yes. This is the only antidote ;)

I think this piece was made before WWII and it is silver-made (at least patina looks silver-like).

Yes, I completely agree. Nick

I think Rich is right. This is a miniature. Ribbon accommodation problem? But sometimes japanese miniatures were mounted on chain. Cheers, Nick

What? Again? Come on mate! You can't be serious (actually you are) I've never called this medal "mystery medal". Nothing mystical about it. The piece was made between 1930-1960. That's it. We don't have anything for more precise attribution. Except... The BOX. Remember the box? This was a real deal. For you it was "The case seems to be made of Bakelite like those postwar Rising Suns and Sacred Treasure cases, but with a lot more heft. The hinge is a pin running through the back of the case, not like the lacquered cases. I believe it is of aluminum. Different style hasp, that was used on some later awards (post-1956) - I'm only guessing, but this might be an actual war-era award, but must be pre-1956 before the Red Cross adopted separate silver and gold awards around that time." And the box is still wonder-mystical-box. P.S. Thanks for marked rosette photo mate! Nice specimen you've got! Congrats!

Peterson bibliography contains 17 books and articles. This is not so bad for typical phalerstic book. The problem - books that are included in bibliography doesn't contain statistical information that he operates in his book. Why? Maybe Peterson used some other non-published sources (captured documents) or even verbal sources? I don't know.

Yep mate! Let's do that! ;)

I don't think that there are "burden of proof"... Translation errors mostly (and in affect - wrong atributation). Logic 101 Rich? If Peterson made n mistakes, then Peterson made n+1 mistake. Strange kinda logic If Peterson made m right statements, then Peterson made m+1 right statement. True? False? Nope, this is not logic ... Let's just wait and see what you'll read in your mint books... Cheers, Nick

We should keep ours heads high Buddy!

Of course Peterson book is not perfect... And you can find some mistakes here and there... But until now this quote wasn't disproved ;)

Same thing with the Clouds breast stars... Nice collection David! Nice material for collector gallery... Regards, Nick

I wonder if M mark was Osaka exclusive mark... Or M mark was used as general mintmark by all branches of the Japan mint.. I prefer fist scenario P.S. Peterson, 3rd edition, p. 5 "some (NB!!!) of the insignia made by the Osaka mint bear the mintmark M, but the absence of this mintmark does not necessary mean that the piece is not of Mint (!) manufacture. Apparently this mark was only used in the 1930's..."