Chuck In Oregon

If you don't object, I'm going to add your explanations to my Frostbow Collection Manager portfolio (not open to others, just for me) that I just re-started.

Chuck

I love learning things like this. Thank you, Nick.

Chuck

Examples, explanations, history, documents, variations... Groups don't get any better than this one. Thank you for putting this extraordinary group together and sharing it. I am very impressed. I might have a little something around somewhere to add but it won't improve on your work.

Chuck

Yours two Chuck are charitable jetton issued by the very same organization

"Special committee for strengthening military air fleet of Russia"

"ОСОБЫЙ КОМИТЕТ ПО УСИЛЕНИЮ ВОЕННО-ВОЗДУШНОГО ФЛОТА РОССИИ"

Chairman of this society was Grand Prince Alexandre Michailovich

Inscription on the jetton obverse reads "Strength of Rusia Air Fleet".

Jetton was established on February 3, 1912.

For one time donation of 500 rubles - badge (with lifelong right of wearing).

For one time donation of 100 rubles - badge.

For one time donation of 3 rubles - jetton.

Thank you for the complete information. I should have mentioned that they are jettons, not badges. I supposed that to be obvious but I shouldn't have taken that for granted. I had another example but I sold it. The curse of collecting on a budget. Then I came across the gilt-over-silver variant and I bought it. It makes for an interesting comparison. Do you know why there are two (at least) variations? Maybe for a 500 ruble donation vs. 100?

Those are some really impressive badges. I love them. Thanks for sharing. I've never before come across either one. I think my two are Friends of the Russian Air Fleet badges, something like that, awarded for the same reasons about the same time. Here they are:

Enjoy.

Chuck

Man, would I love to have a new '64 Impala coupe. Or a... or a... Wow!

I know the prices will be astronomical but it's like my own (much more modest) collections, especially my best pieces. I mean, how many more chances are you going to get to own your dream (fill in the blank) or a documented ___. I can go to any dealer and get a 2014, but a '64?

Chuck

At Hauptmann's request (I apologize for my tardiness, Dan) here are a few of my Soviet RR items. This is a board from my collection:

There has been some interest in the 1mil k safety badge. Here are two of mine:

And here's one in a documented RR group:

And here's an Honored Railway Worker silver variation that you don't commonly encounter:

Excellent topic. Enjoy.

Chuck

Back in 2005 I posted my Red Cross Hero's Group. I think it would fit nicely into this thread.

Chuck

Abacadabra... you are alive again!

It is quite a leap from "Without engaging in any religious discussions,,," to "Abacadabra... you are alive again."

There's nothing magic about religion. One may believe or not, who cares, but why make demeaning comments? They are, and perhaps are meant to be, self-defining, as are all other prejudicial remarks.

I like the collection of cards, though, and I'd like to see more. I may have a few around here somewhere.

Chuck

Thanks for a look at these rare orders and photos of their recipients. Don't think I'll be adding any of these to my collection any time soon.

Chuck

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I'm late to the game but I'd like to offer a different interpretation of these photos. The regional hat (I have several), the distinctive and traditional choka (tunic) and the kindjal all suggest Georgian to me. Georgia wasn't conquered until 1921 so 1920s works, maybe late '20s. A trick rider group of escaped/resettled/whatever Whites isn't impossible, I suppose (see Buffalo Bill), but that seems sacrilegious to me and I tend to doubt it.

Nice find.

Chuck

VERY nice post and follow-ups and very interesting. I think the most any Georgian was awarded was four, all were combat (a pilot), and I own that group, ex-Tbilisi Museum of the Revolution. I think I posted it here, sometime in the distant past. According to the ex-director of the museum, he was supposed to get an HSU but Stalin notoriously hated Georgians and denied it, so they gave him a fourth Red Star. Just a story and I can't support it, but I tend to believe it. But SIX? Wow.

Chuck

Good Morning Again

THAT was fast.

I don't know much more than what I wrote except this:

• Our MM has a note after his mark and name that says дер. Даниловское.
• The 56 proof mark is early 20th century, so that is consistent with your time frame.
• The MM is in a rectangular stamp, rather than an oval, and that is also consistent with our MM.
• My book notes that he was from Kostroma. That may have some small significance as Kostroma was a favorite place of the Romanovs, including Nicholas II. There must have been a lot of fine jewelers/makers in Kostroma back then. The only city with more pages devoted to it in my reference is Moscow.

I'm sorry, but that's all I've got. A maker of orders, but maybe not a master, although he is listed in the Masters category in my book.

I wish you the best outcome with your research.

Kindest regards,

Chuck

Good Morning Avs

I knew I should have done a better job with this, or maybe just not have said anything. I apologize. Please remember, I don't claim any expertise in makers' marks. I may be embarrassingly wrong about this but heck, I've been embarrassed before.

The stamped MM (if that's what it is) above the large oval/56 is the maker's mark, right? Not the bust and 56. If so, what appears to me to be an MM above the large oval/56 would be the maker's mark. I can't see it clearly because of the glare and it's not what you focused on, but that's what it looks like to me. It certainly could be something else.

I think of a classic M as two vertical lines with a V-shaped line connecting them at the top. However, there are stylized versions of all the letters and I thought a stylized version might just be a straight bar between the vertical lines, looking sort of like a Latin HH. However, I can't find such a mark in my (partially destroyed) reference book.

So, believing it to be a rather formal, standard MM maker's mark, I found the maker I mentioned. I couldn't find a (Cyrillic) NN makers mark. The only similar MM mark was mid-19th century so I eliminated it from consideration.

My book doesn't have a period for this maker, only a year - 1898. That puts it close to your time frame. If I'm reading the reference correctly, he was an assistant to Danilovski.

Good luck with your research. You can do much better than me.

Chuck

I can't tell if this is a block MM with straight crossbars (for want of a better word) or a block MM with a V-shaped crossbars. If the latter, could it be Mikael Mikaelov Murii? My reference is very rudimentary but that may be a possibility.

Good luck, and please let us know.

Chuck

Very interesting thread. I knew a collector in Baku who had a VERY large outstanding offer for an authentic example for years, subject to authentication by the state museum. He never had a taker.

Chuck

Thanks for clearing that up for me Valter.

Chuck

Thank you gentlemen. Exactly the information I was looking for.

Chuck

This is the badge of a member of the Imperial Red Cross Society directorate in the late 19th century. This particular one belonged to civil major general/state advisor 4th class Erminigeld Panov and signified that he was director of the Caucasus Region Department of the Imperial Red Cross Society.

As I understand it, this badge was issued in 1936 to senior Georgian officer veterans of the short-lived Independent Transcaucasus Red Army (prior to being absorbed in the Red Army). They were privately made and are numbered. There are said to have been around 25 in all. This is number 011.

I seldom buy things like this but I couldn't resist these three early hat badges. I'm pretty sure the larger two are fairly scarce. Can anyone tell me exactly what I have here?

Chuck

I was an Army aviator in Vietnam. I flew Hueys with B/229AHB/1CAV, including this one. It is remarkable to me that what once seemed so ordinary and prosaic has become extraordinary after 40 years of hindsight. The UH-1H served me very well and I returned without so much as a scratch. Thank you for this reminder of what once was and will never again be.

Chuck Stromme

Cottage Grove, Oregon

This is a Red Army artillery officer's badge, circa 1919 - 1925. It is hallmarked and proofed. It looks to me to be made up of old Imperial badge stock but with the revolutionary theme. Each leaf is individually crafted. It must have been expensive, even then.

I believe that this small (27.38 mm) badge was presented to a medical officer by a military unit. In this case, a doctor of the 17th Cavalry Dragoon Regt. in Tiflis. The St. George ribbon signifies that the unit was entitled to display a St. George pennant. The badge is proofed but not maker marked, which I think was common in the outlying regions.

I just got back from a visit to Tbilisi, Georgia. While I was there I took possession of a few things I had bought since my last visit in 2009. This jeton is one of them and I'll share a few more in the coming week or so.

This is a 1928 jeton "For Riding and Fencing" earned by Vladimir Pavelovich Kolesnikov. He served with Zhukov in the 1930s and eventually became a colonel and CO of the 206th Shooters Division of the Red Army. He was killed on 5-1-1944 and is buried in the Ukraine.

Does anyone know what the 4KD might stand for?

Enjoy.

Chuck