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Hello Dave!
You forgot the "Trench-mortar-detachment" (see my post from sunday 15:29).
I´m not sure if all the scars came from fights in the war...
The large one on his left cheek seems to be a dueling scar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_scar
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Interesting!
Lieutenant March 27, 1917.
On March 26, the bataillon started their journey to Macedonia.
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Hello!
I couldn´ t find an officer in RJB18.
I also found two promotions of Thierack.
1) January 27, 1918: Vizefeldwebel to Lt.d.Res. Thierack (from Cologne)
2) April, 29, 1918: Vizefeldwebel to Lt.d.Res. Therack (from Neutomischel)
Both don´t fit.
According to Wiki he was born in Saxony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Georg_Thierack
There is an entry in the casualty lists:
Oberjäger (NCO) Thierack in saxon Res.Jg.Btl.13
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/2407768
In that battalion I found him as officer since march 1917:
Officer in 1st company (not company-leader): 26.3.17-14.4.17
Trench-mortar detachment: 14.4.17-20.6.17
Adjutant of the regiment: 15.7.17-2.9.17, then sick in hospital
Orderly-officer: 18.5.18-5.7.18
Adjutant of the regiment: 5.7.18-12.9.18
Signalling-officer: 16.10.18-10.12.18
Maybe he was 1916 Oberjäger (NCO) and became Lieutenant of reserve in 1917???
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You and Andreas are right!
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Here we go:
G.F.Z. is the name of the regiment. "General-Feldzeugmeister".
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Yes, I´ve found a Schultz with EKII in the 5.Art.Brig.
But in ranklist 1872 he ain´t mentioned. Even not in "Departures". There I only found a "Schulz" (without "t").
And I couldn´t find a Schultz of 5th Art in the EKII list!
I think there was a mistake made with the name.
Schulz or Schultz is a name like Miller or Smith in english-spoken countries. The are "billions" of them in Germany...
From the EKII list:
Schultz:
Nast:
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Back from work...
Well,
Sec.Lt. Albert Karl Nast received his EKII in 8th battery/ Festungs-Artillerie-Regiment Nr.5
Sec.Lt. Karl Ludwig Schultz in 4th heavy battery/ Feldart.Rgt.9
FAR9 fought 70/71: Collombey-Nouilly, Gravelotte-St.Privat, Metz, Nouisseville, Toul, Paris, Lessy, Chenegy, Dreux, La Madeleine Bouvet, Bellème, Loigny-Poupry, Orléans, La Motte-Beuvron, Meung, Beaugency-Cravant, Vienne, Oucques, Fréteval, Epuisay, Le Mnas and Orbec.
No match with the claps of the officer.
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Good point. I'll check it this afternoon after work.
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Hello!
Schultz was commander of Fußart.Rgt.5 between March 19, 1896 and June 16, 1898 and Chef of the "Feldzeugmeisterei" (Ordnance Departement) between April 1, 1898 and April 18, 1900
He became Oberst in April 21, 1898.
Major Nast was promoted to Oberstleutnant August 18, 1898.
In 1899 he had: RAO4, EK2, and DAK. In 1900 he had KO3 too.
You´re right with the star. The photo shows an Oberstleutnant.
So I assume, we have Oberstleutnant Nast in 1900. In the autumn-ranklist 1900 he was not mentioned, because he was set to z.D. (to disposition or "on half pay"), and Oberstleutnant Kohlbach to the command of the regiment.
Nast was commander of Fußart.Rgt5 between June 16, 1898 and May 22, 1900.
We need to know, when he received his KO3.
So the photo must had been taken between summer/autumn 1899 and May 22 1900.
Maybe it was taken because of the awarding of KO3 or because of his departure
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Thanks a lot Richard!
But unfortunately I think, at this point we don´t have more chances to find out more.
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Hello!
Because he was ill in hospital, I can´t imagine he died because of any war-trouble.
Another idea:
Young Elsa Meta (last name unknown) lost a close relative in the war (father, brother).
Between 1918 and 1934 she´s got married with this Mr. Motschmann and so she changed her last name. That´s why she owned his military papers.
Unfortunately we can´t see, WHO died in the war, only the recipient of the cross.
BUT maybe we have luck!
Elsa Meta is a rare first name. I checked Ancestry with "Elsa Meta" and "Hohenleuben".
ONE SINGLE MATCH:
Elsa Meta Seidemann (born Oct 11, 1891).
Checking the casualty lists, I´ve found five Seidemann from Gera*, who were k.i.a.
1) Friedrich, k.i.a. 1916 (Pionier-Regiment 19)
2) Max, k.i.a. 1918 (no unit)
3) Otto, k.i.a. 1918 (no unit)
4) Paul, k.i.a. 1916 (Leib-Grenadier-Regiment 8 )
5) Willi, k.i.a. 1915 (Infanterie-Regiment 176)
Totally there are 37 k.i.a. Seidemann in the casualty lists.
* Hohenleuben belonged to Gera, since 1922 to Greiz.
1840 it had 2103 inhabitans, 1947 only 2512. So around 1900 maybe 2200 (just a guess)
Another idea. The mother of Mr. Motschmann received the cross for another killed son and gave it to her daughter-in-law Elsa Meta
There are 12 k.i.a. Motschmann in the casualty lists.
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Hello!
I could check his personal files:
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/struktur.php?bestand=13908&klassi=001
The same infos as in the papers.
Unfortunately the files of "Genesenden-Kompagnie" of 1.Ers.Btl. is missing.
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Hello!
That´s strange... I read: "confirmed as pension recipient".
I can´t find any wounds.
The World War Cross of Honour for Widows and Parents was established on 13 July 1934 at the request of Reich President Paul von Hindenburg together with the two other World War Crosses of Honour. It was the first state honour to commemorate the First World War.
The Cross of Honour of the World War was awarded in 3 variants: Cross for Frontline Combatants, Cross for Veterans, Cross for Survivors (widows and parents). However, only one version could be applied for. The cross was issued by the city administration, police authorities or other state authorities. The cross was issued a total of approx. 10,000,000 times in the 3 types and is therefore not rare. Widows and parents of soldiers who died or were missing in war or captivity were considered survivors. Widows were women whose marriage was concluded before 31 December 1918. Parents also included step-parents and adoptive parents. The cross for surviving dependants is the least awarded of the three crosses. The ribbon differs from the ribbon of the other two crosses.His units:
29.12.14: Ersatz-Rekrut, 3.Rekruten-Depot, 1.Ersatz-Bataillon, Inf.Rgt.167
"Nur garnisonsverwendungsfährig" (suitable for garrison use only)
7.9.16-17.9.16: Garnisons-Kompagnie 2, I.Eratz-Bataillon Inf.Rgt.167
17.9.16-26.9.16: ??? hinter der Front
26.9.16-30.1.17: 14./Inf.Rgt.112
30.1.17: 6./Inf.Rgt.112
22.2.17: Hospital (as "ill", not "wounded")
19.4.17: Ersatz-Bataillon, Genesenden-Kompagnie Inf.Rgt.112
15.4.18: discharged to "Landwehr I" as Pensioner and promotion to Gefreiter
For me, the award is not justified
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6 hours ago, Mike Huxley said:
This is the part of military collecting I enjoy the most along with the medal collecting and research.
I have approx 150 Militarpas that I'm slowly going through and trying to trace the backgrounds of the people in them, along with award documents.
My main area of interest is the Saxon Regiments that were on the Flanders front as this ties up with my Grandfather who was with the 23rd London Reg at the battle of Messines on the 7th July 1917 and was wounded there. Finding out about the Saxon forces that were opposing the attack and the guys in the battalions is a fascinating insight into history.
Mike
Hello Mike!
I assume, you know this page?
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Hello!
G.G. means "Gewehr-Geschoß".
Rifle-bullet.
l. U-arm = linker Unterarm = left forearm.
That was the reason for the wounded badge.
By the way. The 1934 Cross was not a war medal. It was awarded to all front-line soldiers who took part in the war.
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A hit in the bull´s eye! Minenwerfer-Kompagnie of Inf.Rgt.343!
He served from 2.5.1915-12.10.1918 in that regiment
Before he served with IR175.
Casualty list of Otto Semrau:
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Many Thanx!
But that was not enough for a wound badge...😁
And I have a problem with Minenwerfer-Kompagnie 343. An MWK with that number did not exist!
But I´ve got some crazy ideas in my crazy head...
The Inf.Rgt.343 was formed by:
I.Btl. of Ers.Btl./IR129
II.Btl. of Ers.Btl./IR141
III.Btl. of Ers.Btl./IR175
August 8, 1918 a Minenwerfer-Kompagnie was set-up in that regiment (formed by Minenwerfer-Kompagnie 86)
Maybe he was transferred to Inf.Rgt.343 and came in their MWK?
Note: The Inf.Rgt.343 belonged to the 86th Infantry Divison.
And the medical company 86 was in that Division too!
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Hello!
Yes! The name could help.
9.3.-19.3.17: Revierbehandlung (sick or wounded-treatment in the regimental area.
25.4.17 Sanitätskompagnie (Medical company) N°86.
In March/April 1917 the regiment was at the Somme and the "Siegfried-Front".
But why? I can´ t read.
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Great!
That makes sense!
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Hello!
A double-eagle doesn´t seem to be british...
Are you sure the helmet is british?
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Avec plaisir!
Amicalement,
Andy
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Würrtemberg research
in Germany: Imperial: Rick (Research) Lundstrom Forum for Documentation and Photographs
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Hi all!
Roles Baden:
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/olf/struktur.php?bestand=13908&klassi=001
Roles Württemberg:
https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/suche/findbuecher_mit_digitalisaten.php?archiv=1&klassi=1.12#_1.12
You need the unit and company. Then you can check the roles. Some of them have an index in alphabetical order.