The Prussian

Hi Eva!

I know the towns you used to be very well. I live in Essen...

It´s good place for collectors, because there are a lot of expos in Belgium and the largest german one in Kassel. Both are max 2hrs away.

It´s really sad, that you can´t get the na m eof the soldier. It would be much easies to find out something. Is it possible for you to make a close-up of the shoulder strap of the picture in #9, please? Or can you read anything?

Eva,

Your man appears to be in kurassier uniform, note the cuffs, and holding a kurassier pallasch.

Regards,

Terry

Hello!

No, 100% no Kürassier. There only were four regiments with a chiffre on the shoulder straps.

1. WR

2. L

6. Cyrillic N

8. GR V

Each chiffre had a crown above.

Here we have a latin number, so Stabsordonnanz

Hello Eva!

That´s very intersting, reading woman´s point of view about unifoms. Great! I agre with you with the old uniforms. They are much more beautiful than the simple camouflage uniforms of our days.

Well, a beer in Germany would be fine. We have so many of them, we could sell it...

Unfortunately I can´t identify the medal. I´m not s specialist in medals. Maybe the other friends here could help.

Can you recognize antyhing upon the shoulder strap of the second photo?

Hello Eva!

I think it´s great, you are interesting in uniforms. That´s not usual for a woman!

Could you please make a close-up of his medal?

In peacetime there were not too much soldiers of this branch. Each commanding general of an army-corps had an NCO-Stabsordonnanz, the other generals of brigades and divisions had just a corporal. So each army-corps only had roundabout 12 Stabsordonnanzen. In wartime they were transfered to the mounted staff-guards of the divisions.

If a commanding-general had only one single NCO-Stabsordonnanz ("Stabsordonnanz-Unteroffizier"), we might to know, when the pic was taken.

I think, it´s a late photo, because his uniform changed (the front-braids are missing), probably 1910 or later.

The commanding generals of the VII.Army-corps (If it is a VII upon the shoulder straps!) were:

11.8.1909-16.9.1914: Gen.d.Kav. Karl v. Einem, gen. Rothmaler

16.9.1914-29.6.1915: Gen.d.Inf. Eberhard v. Claer

29.6.1915-6.8.1918: Gen.d.Inf. Hermann v. Francois

6.7.1918-18.1.1919: Generalleutnant Wilhelm v. Woyna

18.1.1919-30.9.1919: Generalleutnant Oskar Freiherr v. Watter

Hello!

I haven´t seen a flag like that before. Please have a look here:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Flaggen_des_Deutschen_Kaiserreichs

Hello Eva!

Thanks for the close-up! That makes it clearer!

He doesn´t have a button upon his collar, but braids, so his rank is Unteroffizier (the lowest NCO rank). His shoulder boards have latin numbers. I can´t recognize them, maybe a VII.

So he is a Stabsordonnnaz (staff-orderly? I don´t know the english term).

Anyway, he wears the number of his army-corps. If it is a VII, he served with the seventh army-corps in Westphalia (where I live too...).

The uniform was grey-green with yellow braids. I´m not sure with the sabre.Probably he wears a prussian cavalry-sword (Kavalleriedegen).

I attached another photo of a Stabsordonnanz to compare (note: the braids on the front of the tunic were left-out later. So your photo must be taken after 1910.

Is there an indicator, where the pic was taken?

Hello Eva!

It´s not austrian. It´s a german one. I´m not sure with the unit. Could you please make a close-up of the shoulder straps and the sabre?

Hello Peter!

The Rangliste of 1899 says:

Inspektion der Kriegsschulen (Berlin)

Studien-Kommission (Berlin)

Kriegschulen:

*Potsdam

*Glogau

*Neiße

*Engers

*Cassel

*Hannover

*Anklam

*Metz

*Danzig

*Hersfeld

Unfortunately I don´t have an idea for EVA

Very nice things! Chapeau!!!

Here I have a picture with that helmet (unfortunately in the background)

push-up...

No ideas, gents?

Kiffin Rockwell was the first american fighter, who was shot down in the first world war. He volunteered to the frrench air force.

He died september, 23, 1916.

Does someone know, who shot him down? It was a german two-manned reccon airplane. But I couldn´t find out their names.

Thank you very much in advance

Hello dante!

No idea because of the late EKI. But I have seen a few MPs like this. That was very possible. Because of Tangermünde, I didn´t want to be a teacher... , but there was an Angermünde too. Two different towns. But Tangermünde fits perferctly to the IV.AK

Hi Chris!

Very nice photo!!! I haven´t seen that before! Great!!!

MW-Kp. 312 (set up 5.10.15, under command of 12.Ldw.Div., later 7th Cav.Div.) constisted of:

schwere MW-Abtl. 23

2/3 mittlerer MW-Abtl. 151

leichte MW-Abtl. 233 and 234

Hello dante!

Very nice one!!!!

Inf.Rgt.17 became in 1919 Reichswehr-Schützen-Rgt.7. That´s right. In the Freikorps-period, it belonged to the Freiwilligen-Landesschützen-Korps (Roeder).

The II.Btl./RW-Schtz.Rgt.7 came from Halberstadt (Brigade 4 Magdeburg).

The battle is not Angermünde, but Tangermünde (near Stendal). That fits to the Brigade 4

Hi Marcin!

I only know Generalmajor a.D. Freiherr v. Pfetten-Arnbach. In wartime, he was commander of the "Munitions-Kolonnen- und Trains 2"

Hi Chris! Of course! Here is the badge:

The badge was created by the Div.Kdr. Kneußl himself in january 1916. But in august 1916 the permission to wear were forbidden by the bavarian ministry of war.

Maybe the picture was taken between january and april 1917, when the division was under command of Armee-Abtl. B in the "Upper-Alsace" OR in 1916 in Rumania

The b.11.Inf.Div. wore the mountain-trousers, if it was "necessary".

Of course, I have...#

If someone has questions about the the plates, let me know

NOTE! The VII doesn´t mean VII.AK, but 7.Army!!!!

1) Armee-Abteilung Gronau

2) 19.Armee ("something" happens)

3) Drivers of thre Kaiser´s staff)

4) Kaiser Wilhelm II in a Knight

5) Kaiser Wilhelm II in a car of Ober-Ost

6) The Emperor arrived

Oh yes! I just read it! I didn´t k now that before! Thank you for that!!!

Kraus writes:
"Sämtliche Pionieroffiziere erhielten nun wieder silberne Doppellitzen, aber in glatter Form wie für Gardeoffiziere..."

(all engineer-officers recieved silver double-litzen, in flat pattern like for guard-officers...) - Kraus, vol.II, page 739

Hello!

Stobbe was Hauptmann in Pi.Btl.8, later commander in IR, later Oberst in the Reichswehr.

BUT, if the photo shows Stobbe, why does he wear Garde-Litzen???

Hi Chris!

I only can read Kdr. Inf.Rgt. Graf Barfuss. That was the Inf.Rgt.17. Dated 24.VIII.1918 The Kommandeur of that regiment in that time was Major Otto Stobbe (24.7.1918-20.1.1919). Under command of the 42th Inf.Div., the regiment just arrived the Champagne front (22nd of august), probably in the Tahure sector

Hi IG!
I know, I thanked you personally for your help four years ago...

I don´t want to make this thread forgetable, so I´ll enclose a map of july, 15th 1918. The map of the Feuerwalze should cover the area behind the 1st division.

Intersteing for me is, that my grandpa was injured by gas in september 1918 near St.Souplet (in the middle of the map)

??? I can´t see any straps... Just 16 articles of stuff

Ah, ok! Thank you! That was my fault. In my "headache-head" this morning, I linked "Grubist" to "Grubenarbeiter" (miner)... One of the few bottles of wine might be bad...

Of course, it is Gruppenbildstelle 143. That was a bavarian one. Set-up 26.4.1918 from AOK6. Before this date it was Gruppenbildstelle Nr.517

Hello!

If it is Grubist, I can read "zur Grubist 143". That doesn´t make any sense in german.

What about the other abreviations? Did you clear them? Maybe they give a link to the last one!

Thanx for the link, Stefan!