The Prussian

Hello!

Does anybody knows, which decoration this gentleman wears?

Salut J?r?me!

That?s an evident picture! Merci beaucoup! I have read "Kn?tel?s" - I have seen the danish uniforms, but unfortunately the cavalerists wern?t shown (only in the background). I think the one problem is solved. But the asian...

Hello Douglas!

His "erlernter" (learned) job was "G?rtner (gardener)

His "ausge?bter" (practised) job was "dito" (ditto) = (also gardener)

Ah, yes, now I?ve seen your avatar... We know each other from the german forum. I am the Ruhrpottpreu?e...

If I should send you the script, I need your email adress. At the best, you send it to me in an PM

Hi Joe!

I didn?t write that script about the Schlieffen-Plan. A friend of mine did. The problem is, it?s written in german, and the size is roundabout 30MB. Can you read german enough, then I will ask my friend, if I could send it to you. I will send your post to him, so he?ll be able to give you better answers that I could.

Now it?s clear. The Jany says, that in 1874 the Feldartillerie and the "now so called Fu?artillerie" (former Festungsartillerie) was devided.

Curt Jany: Geschichte der Preu?ischen Armee IV

Skype is free messenger, we could chat, talk (for free!) and send datas very quickly. A lot of people in the german forum use skype.: http://www.skype.com/allfeatures/callphone...pid%253D1413356

The problem of the copy are the allowed 70K.. I try to send you a better copy. My buddy has a lot of the brank lists. Me, I?ve got the 1878, 1913, 1914, 1920 and the list of honour

Ah, yes, the first photo seems to me, that the covered helmet could have a ball for artillery under the cover???

To my grandpa. When the photo was taken, he was 19. He didn?t live in Cleve. My entire family comes from Essen. The regiment was called "Clevesches", but they stood in Wesel. Cleve or Kleve is the same. In the imperial age a lot of cities were spelled with a C like C?ln or Coblenz and now we use the K.

I askes a friend of mine about the Fu?artillery 3. He has the Rangliste (whats the english word for it) from 1866. There were two regiments with the 3. The Artillery-Regiment Nr.2 (stood in several toens in Brandenburg) and the Festungsartillery Regiment Nr.3 from Mainz. In my ols Rangliste from 1878 I found only a field and a footartillery regiment Nr.3. So I think, the Festungsartillery were named in Fu?artillerie between 1866 and 1878. I enclosed the page from the Festungsartillery. Do you have skype-messenger?

That?s right Chip! The Lehr-Inf.Btl. (or Rgt.) wore white stripes. I hope you can see it on the attached photo.

What about the script about the Schlieffen-Plan? When are you on-skype?

Cheers, Andreas

Hi Frank!

Well, I swapped my G3 with the M16 of a GI just for that photo. I didn?t want to own that, because we shot with both, but I prefered our G3...

Rheinberg is a nice town. But I think, Underberg is more interesting than Claudia (since she married Seal...)

I looked at the Fu?artillerie. It?s strange. In the book "Ruhmeshalle", is written, that regiment fought in july, 12th 1866, but I couldn?t find that unit in the ordre of battle. Unfortunataley I only have the listing of the Korps and I think, Fu?artillerie belonged to the HQ. But I can ask a friend of mine, he owns the complete recordings of the gerneral staff of 1866.

Well, we have some interesting forums in germany, like this: http://feldgrau.pytalhost.com/vbulletin/index.php

But I don?t know any places to find relatives. The problem is, a lot of documents were destroyed in 1945. If you are looking for some informations about uniforms or histories of formations, let me know.

BTW, my grandpa served with the "Clevesches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr.43" from Wesel. He was in France in 1917 and 1918. The picture shows him sitting on the chair (wearing the EKII). I also have his Milit?rpa? and the Regimental history. In the Pa? stands, he was wounded by gas sept.28th 1918 near St.Souplet. Unfortunately I couldn?t meet him, he died, when I was 1 year old in 1968.

Well, off to work with me, mate, it?s late. If you have the skype-messenger, I am "ruhrpottpreusse"

Cheers, Andy

Hi Frank!

Well, I swapped my G3 with the M16 of a GI just for that photo. I didn?t want to own that, because we shot with both, but I prefered our G3...

Rheinberg is a nice town. But I think, Underberg is more interesting than Claudia (since she married Seal...)

I looked at the Fu?artillerie. It?s strange. In the book "Ruhmeshalle", is written, that regiment fought in july, 12th 1866, but I couldn?t find that unit in the ordre of battle. Unfortunataley I only have the listing of the Korps and I think, Fu?artillerie belonged to the HQ. But I can ask a friend of mine, he owns the complete recordings of the gerneral staff of 1866.

Well, we have some interesting forums in germany, like this: http://feldgrau.pytalhost.com/vbulletin/index.php

But I don?t know any places to find relatives. The problem is, a lot of documents were destroyed in 1945. If you are looking for some informations about uniforms or histories of formations, let me know.

BTW, my grandpa served with the "Clevesches Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr.43" from Wesel. He was in France in 1917 and 1918. The picture shows him sitting on the chair (wearing the EKII). I also have his Milit?rpa? and the Regimental history. In the Pa? stands, he was wounded by gas sept.28th 1918 near St.Souplet. Unfortunately I couldn?t meet him, he died, when I was 1 year old in 1968.

Well, off to work with me, mate, it?s late. If you have the skype-messenger, I am "ruhrpottpreusse"

Cheers, Andy

Yes. The Etatm??iger Feldwebel is the Feldwebel. In germany we make the difference between Feldwebel and Vize-Feldwebel. The "Etatm??iger" is just a part of his rang, but no one uses it. Sometime?s one says for Feldwebel: The "Etatm??iger" or just "Feldwebel", but seldom one uses both words

No, that?s not true. The single Tresse could be Unteroffizier, Sergeant or Vize-Feldwebel. He has a button at his collar, so it?s a Sergeant or a Vize-Feldwebel. You only can drclare it, if you see the Troddel. The Vize-Feldwebel wore the Officers-Portepee. The Feldwebel had two Tressen above the cuffs

Yes Rick. It?s defiantly "Friedensheer". Rank is Sergeant. To me, the chevrons are the old fencing-signs. He wore them on his left arm. Don?t forget, the war was just over, and the Friedensheer was like the Freikorps. They had orders for their uniforms, but who could control it???

Does he mean the ring at his fingers or the rings above the cuffs???

That?s right. The rings are the sogn for NCO?s. If you want very good books about the german army, please look here:

http://www.militaria.at/Default.aspx

The books are available in german or english

Hello gentlemen. Osterfeld now is a part of the town Oberhausen (north of D?sseldorf). The photo was taken in Borbeck (now a part of my hometown Essen - 10km from Oberhausen)

Hello Frank!

That is very interesting, that you are german born and you met your wife in my area! Since now, I?ve never heard, that US troops were in Rheinberg! I thought we had only UKs... But you wrote, it was 25 years ago. Me, I?ve spend my time in the army from 1987-1091 (armoured infantry near Bremen and lorry-driver in Unna). In Bremen (Schwanewede) our american "partner-unit" was the 66th.Armor Regiment "Semper in Hostes"

Back to your photo and the medal. The medal is a very nice piece! And because it?s from the foot-artillery-regiment 3, I think the guys on the photo belonged to the same unit. Formed in 1864 (june, 16th) it?s called "brandenburgisch", because, I think, they were set up somewhere in Brandenburg, and came later to Mainz. Unfortunately I don?t have any more infos about that unit. It?s strange that your grandfather owned that medal, because it is from 1914 and the photo was taken defiantly before 1897. Did he have forefathers in the same regiment?

I hope, you understand my english. I could answer in german (of course...), but it would be unfriendly to the other gentlemen, who don?t speak german. If you have any questions about german uniforms until 1933 or their histories of formations, don?t be shy to ask me.

I enclosed a nice photo: Me in 1987, wearing an american Kevlar-helmet and an M-16 (after occupying a village near Bremen during a manoeuvre - we together with our partner-regiment)) It would be interesting to know, what people in 100 years would say, if they like to recognize, what unit that was...

Best regards from the "Ruhrpott"

Andreas

Here is an example for the Lehr-Inf.Rgt. Note the two bars upon the left upper-arms

I forgot:

2 vertical bars: Lehr-Inf.Rgt.

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Defiantly no badge...

Maybe something a pigeon has dropped... sorry

The were some bars upon the fieldgrey uniforms of the 208th ID, but they were at the upper-arm.

A horizontal bar with a vertical bar on top: Inf.Rgt.25

A horizontal bar with an "X" on top: Inf.Rgt.185

A horizontal bar with a "+" on top: Res.Inf.Rgt.65

A horizintal bar with a triangle on top: Fieldartillery-Rgt.267

Helle Frank!

Can you recognize anything upon the shoulder straps? The brandenburg cuffs stand for infantry or foot artillery. Because of they wear only one cocarde, the photo must have been taken before 1897. Maybe foot-artillery-regiment n?3 from Mainz??

6.Th?ringisches Inf.Rgt.Nr.95

A captain in a general staff

Here are three of mine: Captain of the 11th Foot-artillery regiment