The Prussian

Nice photos, Alex! The MG is really interesting. Very dangerous for the own airplane...

Hello gents!

I´d like to introduce my first photo of a "Riesenflugzeug" (german giant)

This one is the S.S.W. R.VI 6-15 (built only once!). This airplane belonged to the "Riesenflieger-Abteilung 501"

S.S.W. was "Siemens-Schuckert-Werke"

She was in action at the eastern front, but she had a lot of technical problems.

The action book:

Eisenbahnstation = Railway station

Truppenlager = Troop camp

Bombenlast = weight of bombs

Aufklärungsflug: Reccon flight

Nachschublager = support camp

I also attached a photo of members of the Rfa 501 (I don´t know, if they were members of the R.VI 6-15)

August 1916: Eisenbahnstation Molodeczne (Bombenlast unbekannt)
4.9.1916: Eisenbahnstation Molodeczne (350kg Bombenlast)
19.1.1917 Truppenlager Iza (mit SSW R.5, zus. 712kg Bombenlast)
30.1.1917 Eisenbahnstation Wileyka (mit SSW R.5, zus. 844kg Bombenlast)
8.2.1917 Eisenbahnstation Molodeczne (mit SSW R.5, zus. 373kg Bombenlast)
12.2.1917 Eisenbahnstation Zalesie (mit SSW R.5, zus. 550kg Bombenlast)
2.3.1917 Eisenbahnstationen Zalesie und Molodeczne (mit SSW R.7, zus. 590kg Bombenlast)
7.3.1917 Eisenbahnstationen Wileyka und Molodeczne (mit SSW R.7, zus. 590kg Bombenlast)
16.3.1917 Truppenlager Iza (mit SSW R.7, zus. 560kg Bombenlast)
1.4.1917 Naracz (mit SSW R.4 und R.7, zus. 600kg Bombenlast)
5.4.1917 Eisenbahnstation Wileyka (mit SSW R.4 und R.7, zus. 600kg Bombenlast)
5.6.1917 Truppenlager Biala (mit SSW R.4 und R.7, zus. 760kg Bombenlast)
18.6.1917 Nachschublager Overky (mit SSW. R.4 und R.7, zus. 600kg Bombenlast)
2.8.1917 Eisenbahnstation Prudy (mit SSW R.4 und R.7, Aufklärungsflug)

Here are my photos:

Right, IG!

I´ve found another battle order after mobilization!

12.bayer.Feldart.Rgt:
I.Abt.: 3 batteries Feldkanone and light ammo-col.

II.Abt.: 3 batteries leichte Feldhaubitze and ammo-col.

Hi Steve!

I read it in the book:

"Handbuch deutscher Waffenstempel" (auf Militär- und Diensthandwaffen 1871-2000), by Albrecht Wacker and Joachim Görtz.

ISBN 3-932077-10-5

We could wait, until the books of formations will be published by Verlag Militaria. Infantry and Artillery are almost published; I´m working at the Landsturm book this time

Hello IG!

I´ve seen the symbols of the Feldhaubitze too. If that´s right, they must have recieved them after mobilization. In a peacetime battle order from may 1914 all six batteries had just 77mm C/96.

In that book are six pages about the 24.August in general (of bavarian view), and several pages about the 3rd Inf.Div. in that battle.

At www.eurobuch.com you can buy that book. But it costs about 75€...

If you want I can scan those pages to send them to you. I think to present them here, the pictures will be too small to read

Hello IG!

I assume, you have the book "Schlachten und Gefechte des Großen Krieges"

If you couldn´t find the 3rd.bav.Inf.Div. ,you can look for the II.bav.AK.,

The III.Abt. and the 7th battery were dissolved in november 7th, 1918. The 8th battery came to the I.Abt. and the 9th battery to the II.Abt.

Demobilization 18.12.1918 in Ansbach

Freikorps: Frei- or Volkswehr-Batterie Zacherl, later Heyl

Reichswehr: 3./light RW-Art.Rgt. 23

I attached a map of the battle of 24.8.1914 (3rd. bav.Inf.Div.) "Blainville-Remenoville", found in "Die Schlacht in Lothringen und in den Vogesen" (Bayerisches Kriegsarchiv)

Hi IG!

Like me, mate! I tried to start a list a too, but after two days my eyes burnt and I lost the overview...

We should put together a couple of guys and each makes an index of one branch of service.

Normally you have seven branches in the book. There are 251 divisions. Maybe one need 14 persons. (one could divide the divisions in two parts.) So a completly index would be done in a few weeks

No problem, Matt!

Ask, if you want!

I have the following Ranglisten (Stellenbesetzungen):

Prussia: 1757 (original handwritten!!!), 1808, 1879 (incomplete), 1870 (pdf), 1883, 1895, 1899, 1900, 1902, 1904, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1917, 1919

Bavaria: 1906, 1913, 1918

Saxony: 1902 (pdf), 1918

Germany: Deutsche Rangliste 1914, Ehrenrangliste, 1920 (may and october), 1921, 1925, 1928, 1929, 1939

Marine (only on pdf): 1888, 1914, 1918

Hello Matt!

I made a mistake. I jused the prussian Dienstaltersliste 1919. I forgot, that saxon men are not mentioned (I checked it before my first coffee at 5am...)

Matt and Stefan:

The Rangliste (called: Dienstalterslisten der aktiven Offiziere, Sanitätsoffiziere, Veterinäroffiziere und der Offiziere und Sanitätsoffiziere zur Disposition in etatsmäßigen Stellen der königlich sächsischen Armee 1918)

I have is still in good condition, but with a loose binding. I´m afraid to put it into the scanner. Making photographs would be a lot of work. There are 62 pages...

Please do me a favour. Try to get it in a library; if you´ll be unlucky, I will look for some time to make photographs, if I´ll have holidays. Nowadays I´m off to my bloody work for 12-13 hrs a day

Hi Matt!

The Ehrenrangliste doesn´t have an Oberleutnant Barth in FAR32. There only is a Leutnant Barth of the FAR 64 (later Hauptmann a.D.)

I also have a saxon Rangliste of 1918. There I found a Rudolf Barth, serving with the FAR32 (3rd battery) as a Rittmeister (in the saxon Rangliste called Hauptmann), with the Hauptmann patent 21.5.14G

There ain´t no Barth listed in the avaiation troops of 1918

Chris B's site, Kaiserscross - The Soldier's Burden, has a very good explanation of the supply units, including, Fuhrpark-Kolonnen.

I found the following in the "Histories of 251 Divisions of the German Army Which Participated in the War (1914-1918)" compiled by the US General Staff Intelligence Section...

704 M.T. Col. was with the 3rd Reserve Division in 1917 and 1918.

I presume "M.T. Col." is the English abbrev. for "Motor Transport Column" - the likely English translation of Fuhrpark-Kolonne. "251 Divisions" does not list any M.T. Col's with divisions prior to 1917.

Hello IG!

How did you find the 704 M.T.??????? Do you have an idex of all units????? Or did you check each single page? I´d pay a fifth of Jack for a complete index of that book!

Nice the word "abbrev. ". A nice maxim... "The abbrev. for abbrev. is abbrev."

Hello Marcin!

The Fuhrparkkolonnen had numerical unit numbers. There were 236 divisional Fuhrparkolonnen, and I don´t have a list, to which division they belong...

The Fußart.Btl.121 was under command of 222.Inf.Div., and later of the 4th army.

It was set-up in 1918 by the Fußart.Rgt.Nr.9.

and armed with:
1. and 2. comp.: lange, schwere Feldhaubitze M13

3. comp.: 10cm canon M14

Hi Jock!

Nice cards! I agree with artillery because of the grenade. But does the A stands for artillery? I´ve never seen that before. Where were those cards written? I can´t read it...

I think, Bavaria had only one single Feldsignalabteilung, so your stamp could be. Bayerische Feldsignalabteilung, weapon Nr.9

(Görtz, page 109).

Hello!

Before the war there were so-called "Feldsignalabteilungen". They were used in the cavalry divisions. S.A. stands for those units. Mabye there were 9 Abteilungen in Bavaria?

My guess is: "Bayerische Feldsignalabteilung Nr.9"

Nothing to add, great work, IG!

I just can add two photos of Res.Feldart.Rgt.43

Note the uniform special. Reserve units of the fieldartillery had metal-numbers!

Hi Marcin!

So we have the VII.AK.

This armycorps was at Verdun-West (9.9.16-31.3.17)

Hello Marcin!

That´s not so easy. The Ersatz-Feldartillerie-Regiment Jüterbog was divided. Each battery belonged to another armycorps.

1.Ers.Bttr.: Garde-Korps

2.Ers.Bttr.: III.AK

3.Ers.Bttr.: II.AK

4.Ers.Bttr.: IX.AK

5.Ers.Bttr.: VII.AK

Is the battery mentioned on the doc?

In 1939 there was a Hauptmann Voß mentioned as Adjutatnt of the Landwehrkommandeur Krefeld (later Mülheim /Ruhr)

A good example for "globalization"...

I´m glad to own the book as a "real" book...

Hi Les!

I clicked, but... "This item is not available online"

Great photos, mattyboy! Thanks a lot!!!!!!