The Prussian

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This card was written 1910 OR 1916, I´m not sure, if we see a 0 or a 6...

He writes, that we see belgian telephonists and about bad food, that he received, and asked his mother for a piece of cheese.

My question is:

Do we see belgian uniforms or maybe belgian soldiers in the French Foreign Legion? There is a french-style collar number "2", but I don´t know, if the belgians had such uniforms.

I ordered the photo but it didn´t arrive yet. I will show a better scan later, if wanted.

If he was in the Legion too, the photo might have been taken in Africa, but the house-wall is NOT Africa, but France or Belgium.

What would the white cap-bands mean?

Thanks  a lot!

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As I wrote, those shooting awards were introduced in 1894. Because there is no grenade at the end, it´s an infantry man.

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This is just a simple shooting award. They were introduced in 1894.

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I wonder, how the book would look like, if there were all IC2 listed. In WW1 ca. 5.196.000 crosses were awarded...

I couldn´t find him in the casualty lists. There are 8 Oskar Rosenthal, but no-one born in Duisburg.

There is only one with no home-town listed, but he served with a Silesian regiment (700km from Duisburg...)

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/997734

I don´t believe, that´s him. So probably he was not wounded during the war.

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No, that´s not possible. Garde hat those "Garde-Litzen" around the neck and on the cuffs.

Your photo shows a gunner of:

1st battery/mounted Detachment of Field-Artillery-Regiment "v. Holtzendorff"  N°8 in Saarbrücken since 1898 in parade-dress.

Here is an old photo of 3rd GRzF:

Hello David!

A Platzmajor was the officer in a fortress or large city who is responsible for the daily garrison duty of the troops and therefore always keeps an exact calculation of the strength of the garrison and the succession of officers. He is usually a captain, only in large cities sometimes a staff officer, who at the same time also has the state prisoners and imprisoned soldiers under his supervision.

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As "Platzmajor von Mainz" he had lost his second "l" in his name...😁

Hello David!

I´m not sure, if I found "your" man...

According to the ranklist 1819 there was a Capitaine v. Pallmenstein aggregated in 34th Infantry Regiment.

No entry in that regiment in 1820. Unfortunately there ain´t no index of names in those old ranklists...

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I agree.

The first ones seem to be bravery medals (the 2nd one with repetition), the third one maybe "Karl-Truppen-Kreuz", the "Honour Cross of the World War"* , then "Commemorative medal of Hungary", then the "Officers service cross".

* All Germans who took part in a battle, combat or positional combat were considered front-line fighters. Later, the circle of those entitled to receive the Cross was also extended to include Austrians, the Saarland and annexed territories such as the Sudetenland and Memeland.

6 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

I thought Apenrade was in Denmark?

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Since 1867 it belonged to Prussia, since 1871 to the German Empire.

1920 it came to Denmark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aabenraa

Hi Peter!

Thanks a lot! To me as a German it is hard to determiniert the different british accents.

The Cockney rhyming slang is very interesting!

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I love this video!

But which english accents do we hear?

1) Canadian

2) ?

3) South Africa

4) ?

Thanks a lot!

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Please browse the site, you´ll find a lot informations and the articles are not too expensive (if you don´t give a toss about the shipping costs...)

It's not the prettiest system, but it's quite cheap, it's acid-free, and it does the job.

With the transparencies (no matter if for documents or two or four divided), there is a separating foil in the middle, so that you can insert two photos without the backs touching each other.

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It´s not so difficult...

The photo-studio (Atelier Max Seyffarth) is from Saarbrücken.
Parts of Feldartillerie-Regiment v. Holtzendorff Nr.8 was in that garrison.

Two Abteilungen (Detachments) were in Saarlouis and the mounted detachment was in Saarbrücken.

He wears a black plume, which was worn only by a couple of Field-Artillery units, but by all mounted detachments and by all soldiers of the regimental staff!

The three batteries of the mounted detachment were in Saarbrücken since April 1, 1898.

According to the white Troddel (bayonet-, or in this case sword-knot) for mounted troops and the absence of rank insignia, here we have a gunner of:

1st battery/mounted Detachment of Field-Artillery-Regiment N°8 in Saarbrücken since 1898 in parade-dress.

Sword-knots of the mounted batteries:

Location 1914:

Red circle: Saarlouis with I. and II. Detachement and their staffs.

Yellow circle: Saarbrücken with regimental staff and mounted Detachment (R = reitend = mounted)

Order of the transfer of the detachment:

War Ministry.  Berlin, March 3, 1898

N°53
Transfer of the mounted detachment Field Artillery Regiment von Holtzendorff (1st Rhenish) No.8
In execution of the Most High Cabinet Order of July 28, 1890 - Army Ordinance Gazette page 154 regarding 166 - the transfer of the above-mentioned detachment from Saarlouis to Saarbrücken will take place on April 1, 1898.

N° 860/2.98. A.1.
by order of, v. der Boeck

(Major-General v.der Boeck was member of the National-Defence-Commission and director of the General War Department)

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Ah, ok. Bernhard already translated it.

Well, to the 81.Inf.Brig.

In 1914 there were Inf.Rgt.162 and 163, in 1918 Res.Inf.Rgt.76 and 1./Res.Hus.Rgt.6 were added.

Commanders in the great war were:

2.8.14-10.12.14: Karl v. Lewinski

10.12.14-1.4.16: Carl v. Wichmann

1.4.16-15.2.17: Wilhelm v. Beczwarzowski

15.2.17-21.2.19: Ernst v. Heynitz

Leaders:

Gustav Beyer (no dates known)

Georg Sick (30.6.-25.7.18)

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The place in the first card should be "Moorslede", in the second one "Sailly".

In that time, the Regimental staff and the "Rest-Bataillon" were in Moorslede. (regimental history, page 188).

The "Sailly" is "Sailly-en-Ostrevent".

Unfortunately I can´t read the cards... GreyC, please...😁

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Moorslede,+Belgien/Sailly-en-Ostrevent,+Frankreich/@50.5904487,2.7791194,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c33361ff2b0101:0x457e728cb4c9419d!2m2!1d3.0633461!2d50.8912006!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c2b5144d4a1c09:0x40af13e8163d7d0!2m2!1d2.993226!2d50.289526!3e2

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Nice car!

It´s a Steyr 50 or 55

http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/steyr50_1.htm

Push-up post... 😀

Any ideas since last year, mates?

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Congratulations! That´s a bull´s-eye hit!

The question is:

Georg Sick served with different units during the war.

2.8.14-5.1.15: Commander II./47

5.1.15-21.4.15: Commander Inf.Rgt.46

25.4.15-25.7.18: Commander Inf.Rgt.163 (simultaneously 30.6.18-25.7.18 Commander 81.Inf.Brig.)

24.7.18-end of war: Commander 59.Landwehr-Brig.

Was your grandfather always with him or only in regiment 163?

The regiment was generally under command of 81.Inf.Brig. (17.Res.Div.)

Temporary during the Battle of the Somme:

4.7.16-14.7.16: 185.Inf.Div.

14.7.16-23.7.16: 6.Guard-Inf.Brig. (3.Guard-Inf.Div.)

28.7.16-3.8.16: 10.Inf.Brig. (5.Inf.Div.)

Regimental Staff:

From 29.9.15-13.1.16 the staff of the regiment 163 led a new temporary regiment: "Regiment Sick"

This regiment was also called "Inf.Rgt.3 of the Division Hartz"

Units:

Staff/Inf.Rgt.163

III.Btl./Inf.Rgt.162

½ MG-Comp./Inf.Rgt.76

III.Btl./Res.Inf.Rgt.31

I.Btl./Res.Inf.Rgt.86 (since 7.10.15)

½ MG-Comp./Res.Inf.Rgt.84

Note the Division Hartz was the 2nd bavarian Inf.Div. (I.bavarian army-corps, 6th army)

Engagements:

25.9.15-13.10.15: Battle of La Bassée and Arras

14.10.15-25.12.15: Trench-battles in Flanders and Artois

14.-15.11.15: Battle of Thélus

Since 25.12.15 the Division Hartz was under command of IX.Res.Corps.

14.1.16 the Regiment Sick came back to the Inf.Rgt.163

By the way...

Here you can download the regimental history of Inf.Rgt.163 for free:

https://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/sammlungen/sammlungsliste/werksansicht?tx_dlf[id]=245&tx_dlf[page]=1&cHash=bbc62ab2144a0a2b35ed54b50b34d562

Thanks a lot, Klaus!

Good job!

Hi Hamburger!

Unfortunately not. I only have military dates. Maybe you translate the german wiki-page?

Hello Hamburger!

Georg Sick (* 17.10.1861, + 30.6.1937)

Promotions:

Leutnant: 17.10.83

Oberleutnant: 28.7.92

Hauptmann: 27.1.98

Major: 27.1.10

Oberstleutnant: 27.1.15

Oberst 27.1.18

Peacetime duties (Company/Regiment):

Leutnant

late 1883-1886: 6./27

1887-1889: 5./27

1890-1891: 12./27

1892: Adjutant II.Btl./27

Oberleutnant

1893: Adjutant II.Btl./27

1894-1896: 2./27

1897: 11./27

Hauptmann (1904: Order of the Red-Eagle 4, 1908: Service Award Cross)

1898: 11./27

1899-1909: 11./41

Major

1910-autumn 1912: Staff/47

Autumn 1912-1913: III.Btl./47

1914: II.Btl./47

Wartime duties:

2.8.14-5.1.15: Commander II./47

5.1.15-21.4.15: Commander Inf.Rgt.46

25.4.15-25.7.18: Commander Inf.Rgt.163 (simultaneously 30.6.18-25.7.18 Commander 81.Inf.Brig.)

24.7.18-end of war: Commander 59.Landwehr-Brig.

24.9.15: wounded:

http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/424354

3.1.15: back to Inf.Rgt.47

20.5.17: Pour-le-Mérite

German Wiki-page:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Sick

In Inf.Rgt.163 (with Pour-le-Mérite, both Iron Crosses and Military Merit Cross (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

Hello Juju!

Well, the Ersatz-Abteilung/Geb.Art.Abt. 5/6 was one unit.

Formed in Waldkirch/Breisgau (Baden) Feb., 28, 1917.

So the guys might wear the prussian artillery-sabre.

Because he wrote "14/15/16/17", the photo might had been taken in 1917. That fits to the set-up of the unit.

Salut Juju!

An interesting photo!

I just wonder why they don´t wear the leather patches upon the trousers...

The Sturmbataillon 5 (Rohr) had an Staff, 5 storm-companies, 2 MG companies, 1 trench-mortar company and 1 howitzer company. This was the former Infanterie-Geschütz-Batterie N°28, which was attached* to the Sturmbataillon.

The Ersatz came from Ersatz-Abteilung/Gebirgs-Artillerie-Abteilung 5 and 6

* probably because of that they don´t have the leather-patches...

I am very sad, that she has gone.

God save the King!