The Prussian

By the way, here´s the ZDv 37/10 about uniforms

http://www.dmb-lv-westfalen.de/z1.pdf

I´ve found another thing. The armpatch also was worn from members of military schools. This yellow colour was worn by reconnaissance troops. (armoured AND paras)

Members of the Long Range Reconnaisssance school also wore this constellation!

BUT in this case the Para-badge is missing...

My friend told me, that "i.G." is not part of the rank, but just a duty. So during his time as i.G. he had to wear the crimson colours (I meant crimson, when I wrote pink...).

If he came back to his unit, he had to change into yellow again.

The problem is, the BW didn´t publish any Ranglisten. We might know, inj which period he served. I checked a book about the 11th Panzergrenadier-Division. There is a Rangliste from 1956-1987 just for this division. But I didn´t find a "Halle" in the Panzeraufklärungs-Units of that division.

In the cold war (when I served four years 1987-1991), there were 11 Panzeraufklärungs-Bataillone in the 11 divisions. So 11 Oberstleutnants. Hard to find him...

Hi Jock!

I don´t know much about the duties of BW Officers (I used to be Obergefreiter only...)

As far as I know, if the card belomngs to the uniform, he might have worn the pink colours. But I´ll ask a friend of mine, he knows a lot of Bundeswehr. Maybe he can have a look about his name.

Hi Chris!

A very nice piece!!!

It´s a 88-05. The 05 means, it was changed in 1905 for "Ladestreifen für S-Munition".

After the Hindenburg-Programm, there were a lot of 98, so the 88 came into the Depots.Most of them were sent in 1917 to Turkey. After armistice, the britains made them "unshootable" by removing the clasps.

In 1923 the turks bought new clasps in the Weapon-manufactory in Brünn (Czechoslovakia), that´s because there were turkish numbers upon the clasps.

Hi Jock!

Yes, the oficer´s stars are missing... The card says Oberstleutnant (Lt.Col.), so two stars are missing The card also says i.G. ("im Generalstab" - general-staff)

The yellow colour around the shoulder-boards and the Litzen shows us, that he served with Panzeraufklärer (Armoured Reconnaissance).

The upper-arm patch shows his duty in the "Streitkräfteamt" (Zentrale Militärische Dienststellen) ~ Armed forced office (central military departements)

IF he was in the general-staff, he should have a generals-staff education. But then he wouldn´t have his yellow colours, but the pink colours, worn by the general-staff.

No, a saxon chicken looks not like that. Here is the homepage of the saxon breeders...

http://www.sachsenhuhn.de/

Well, joke aside...

The saxons had a different kind of a tshako. It had a straight horizontal visor. The "chicken", in fact is a horsehair-tail, worn by saxon Jg.Btl.12 and 13 and Schützen-Rgt.108. These three units also had a posthorn upon their shoulder-straps.

BUT! What is that for nice photo? R25 and a horsehair-tail???

Well, that´s easy. The saxon Res.Jg.Btl.25 was set-up by the Ers.Abt./s.Jg.Btl.13. The other saxon reserve Jäger unit, Res.Jg.Btl. 26, was set-up by the Ers.Abt./s.Jg.Btl.12

The other photo is a photo of the 8th company/Schützen-Rgt. 108

Hi Chris!

To me, yes!

Saxon Tshako, saxon cuffs, and a number 13. Why are you not sure for 100%?

I´m not sure, Chris.

"Your" card was written in France, and the other one in Russia. Unfortunately I´m not sure, when "my" card was written...

Hi Chris!

Thank you for your answer! But how yould you read the card?

Btl. 73, 2nd company?

Or is the 7 not a number, but a "/"?

Maybe:

Arm.Btl. 7(/): 3.2 Komp.

Hello!

Does someone have infos about Armierungs-Bataillons?

I know that there were 217 bataillons raised in the first WW.

I want to know, how many companies one bataillon had.

I ask because, I´ve seen a postcard, handwritten with:

Armierungs-Bataillon 7: 32. Kompanie, 21.Landwehr-Brigade

Is it possible, that one single bataillon had more then 30 companies?

No idea, but NOT german

Hello Dave!

Thank you very much for your work. The soldiers of tghe Kdw.Brig.Ers.Btl,. had the Bataillon-Number on the shoulder boards. But does he wear a 43?

By the way. That bataillon was set-up by the XI. army-corps.

It belomnged from 1914-1917 to the Ldw.Ers.Inf.Rgt.3 (as III.Btl.), Gouvernment Metz.

In march 1917 ist changed into II./Ldw.Inf.Rgt.94

It is from which period? The Reichswehrministerium was found in 1919.

It could be easier, if you´d offer his name, mate...

I havemn´t found another staff-officer with that name, but Max.

Does someone have his Leutnant-Patent-number? I don´t have any RL between 1905 and 1910

There was an Oberjäger Saatweber too. Born in the same town. Maybe the writer of the cards back has got some names and units cunfused...

I´ve seen it. Nice photo-nice price...

The Ehren-Rangliste mentions a Hauptmann Saatweber (Oberstleutnant a.D.) in FAR59.

Maybe there is a 59 upon the shoulder boards, but the grenade is missing...

I´ve found him in the Verlustliste,

Hauptmann Max Saatweber (born in Barmen, near Wuppertal) , heavy wounded, 5th battery FAR59 (oct 13, 1914)

Hi Matt!

Nice photo! Can your read the shoulder-board? There is something on it.

Is there a chance to get his name, please?

Hello!

In average the men´s height in 1914 was 1,67m

Interesting documents!

I wonder, why he still was called Vizewachtmeister as serving with the minesweepers...

The MW-Kompanie 169 (set-up 28.8.1916) first was under command of the 207.Inf.Div., later 16.Inf.Div.

The company consists of:
s.MW-Zug 87 (later Inf.Rgt.28)

m.MW-Zug 803 (later Inf.Rgt.29)

l.MW-Zug 937 (later Inf.Rgt.68)

You´re right, mate!

Landwehr had the number. The cypher (FR) was introduced march 1888. Before they had the number too.

#1: all kinds of uniforms of the IR 125

#2: civilian drivers of that regiment. Some rich officers had civilian drivers. They had the cypher on the collar or on the capband. Sometimes also a monogram of the officer.

#3: Ldw.Inf.Rgt. 125

Superb!!!!! Thank you very much for showing!!!!!

Hello bolewts58!

Thank you for the confirmation!!!

Hello!

This is a so called simplified tunic. No cuffs and no pipings around the shoulder straps. I think it´s also called "Feldrock nach Landsturmschnitt". Introduced in Bavaria late october 1914