The Prussian

Hello AK1915!

First of all I want to welcome you here in this forum.

Well, you offered us three intresting thesis.

1) I don´t think so. If it happened, we surely had read anything about that

2 and 3) It was possible, that some units changed their "colours". By example the Geb.Bttr.1 became later in june 1915 the württ.Geb.Bttr.11

About the württ. troops, wearing an Edelweiss, I simply assume, they bought it themselves somewhere and put it at their headgear.

According to the württ. Geb.Bttr.N°6:

Set up 8.3.1915, mobile at 1.4.1915

The replacements came from the würt.2.Ers.Bttr. that was under command of the bavaraian Ers.Abt./Geb.Art.Abt.2 and 4.

The würt.Geb.Btr.6 later came (spring 1917) instead of the bav.Geb.Bttr.12 to the württ.Geb.Art.Abt.4.

So we have a order of battle for the württ.Geb.Art.4

set up september 1915:

württ.Geb.Bttr.11 (former 1.Geb.Bttr.)

bav.Geb.Bttr.12 (later changed with württ.Geb.Bttr.6)

württ.Geb.Bttr.13

preuss. Geb.Haub.Zug 1

We see, we have three württ. units, served in the württ.Geb.Abt.4. This Abt. belonged to the Alpenkorps from 2.10.17-25.10.17 and 14.1.18-21.1.18

This fact makes me thinking, that they wore their Edelweiss not officially.

What do you think?

_{Hello Chip!}

_{Oh yes. That surprised me! Great photo! A new Edelweiß, what I have to look for...}

That IS the qoestion,. I´m not sure about the crowned Edelweiss. I try to stay in contact with several austrian professionals. Hope to give good answers to you soon

Hello gentlemen!

Last week I bought this nice badge.

I´m not sure, if it´s an original one. To me it looks good, but I´ve read that 99% of those badges are copies.

What do you say?

I forgot the postcard...

Hi AlecH!

I´m still not sure, if the crowned Edelweiss was worn by those units. I have read, that the crowned one was worn by the Freikorps Oberland.

They also had the ones with three big and three small pollens (like Freikorps Schwaben).

The short history of the Edelweiss is, that the first ones were worn by the k.u.k. Landwehr-Gebirgstruppen. In 1907 that were the two Tiroler Landesschützenregimenter (a third one from 1909) and the k.u.k. Landwehr-Inf-Rgt "Klagenfurt" N°4, since 1911 the k.u.k. Landwehr-Inf.Rgt.N°27 "Laibach". Those troops wore the collar Edelweiss with the stem. Metal pattern by NCOs and Mannschaften and a cloth one worn by officers (#81).

In 1914 Erzherzog Joseph-Ferdinand spent a new Edelweiss to the troops of the XIV.Korps (Innsbruck). This one was a non-stemed one with seven golden pollens.

This one was given to the german Alpenkorps. Probably it´s the one shown in thread 18.

But don´t forget, that some Alpenkorps units had a stamp of the DÖAV Edelweiss!

I collected all patterns of Edelweis (including WWII), hoping that some of them were originally worn by Alpenkorps men. They wore all different kinds og the Edelweiss, but probably the one in #18 is the one, that was in the 20.000 pieces box. (I assume - no proof...)

Hallo all !

Here is a new Photo in my collection ! Another Edelweiss member !

Christer

Any info on the uniform?

Hi Christer! Here we have a nice female photo! This is Viktoria Savs (pic taken in 1917). German born in 1899 (Bad Reichenhall). She volunteered at the age of 16 in 1915. named Viktor!!!) She joined the Landsturm-Inf.Btl.II Innsbruck

Gentlemen, I am looking for the badge of the bavarian 10th Inf.Div. Is anyone there, who likes to sell it, please?

By the way I want to show my small collection of Kappenabzeichen

Hello Chris!

The same badge is shown in the book "Le Sturmbataillon Rohr 1916-1918 by Jean-Claude Laparra and Pascal Hesse.

The bataillon recieved the badge during a visit of the crownprince around february 18th.

Right now, I have the following informations. Unfortunately the tank numbers are NOT the numbers, with whom the tanks are marked...

Company A

Det.1 (1,2,3)

Det.2 (4,5,6)

Det.3 (7,8,9)

Det.4 (10,11,12)

Company B

Det.1 (13,14,15)

Det.2 (16,17,18 )

Det.3 (19,20,21)

Det.4 (22,23,24)

Company C

Det.1 (25,26,27)

Det.2 (28,29,30)

Det.3 (31,32,33)

Det.4 (34,35,36)

Company D

Det.1 (37,38,39)

Det.2 (40,41,42)

Det.3 (43,44,45)

Det.4 (46,47,48 )

Company E

Det.1 (49,50,51)

Det.2 (52,53,54)

Det.3 (55,56,57)

Det.4 (58,59,60)

Company F

Det.1 (61,62,63)

Det.2 (64,65,66)

Det.3 (67,68,69)

Det.4 (70,71,72)

Company G

Det.1 (73,74,75)

Det.2 (76,77,78 )

Det.3 (79,80,81)

Det:4 (82,83,84)

Company H

Det.1 (85,86,87)

Det:2 (88,89,90)

Det.3 (91,92,93)

Det.4 (94,95,96)

Bataillon A

Company 1

Det.1 (1,2,3)

Det.2 (4,5,6)

Det.3 (7,8,9)

Det.4 (10,11,12)

Company 2

Det.1 (13,14,15)

Det.2 (16,17,18 )

Det.3 (19,20,21)

Det.4 (22,23,24)

Company 3

Det.1 (25,26,27)

Det.2 (28,29,30)

Det.3 (31,32,33)

Det.4 (34,35,36)

Bataillon B

Company 1

Det.1 (37,38,39)

Det.2 (40,41,42)

Det.3 (43,44,45)

Det.4 (46,47,48 )

Company 2

Det.1 (49,50,51)

Det.2 (52,53,54)

Det.3 (55,56,57)

Det.4 (58,59,60)

Company 3

Det.1 (61,62,63)

Det.2 (64,65,66)

Det.3 (67,68,69)

Det.4 (70,71,72)

Bataillon C

Company 1

Det.1 (73,74,75)

Det.2 (76,77,78 )

Det.3 (79,80,81)

Det.4 (82,83,84)

Company 2

Det.1 (85,86,87)

Det.2 (88,89,90)

Det.3 (91,92,93)

Det.4 (94,95,96)

Company 3

Det.1 (97,98,99)

Det.2 (100,101,102)

Det.3 (103,104,105)

Det.4 (106,107,108 )

Bataillon D

Company 1

Det.1 (109,110,111)

Det.2 (112,113,114)

Det.3 (115,116,117)

Det.4 (118,119,120)

Company 2

Det.1 (121,122,123)

Det.2 (124,125,126)

Det.3 (127,128,129)

Det.4 (130,131,132)

Company 3

Det.1 (133,134,135)

Det.2 (136,137,138 )

Det.3 (139,140,141)

Det.4 (142,143,144)

Bataillon E

Company 1

Det.1 (145,146,147)

Det.2 (148,149,150)

Det.3 (151,152,153)

Det.4 (154,155,156)

Company 2

Det.1 (157,158,159)

Det.2 (160,161,162)

Det.3 (163,164,165)

Det.4 (166,167,168 )

Company 3

Det.1 (169,170,171)

Det.2 (172,173,174)

Det.3 (175,176,177)

Det.4 (178,179,180)

Bataillon F

Company 1

Det.1 (181,182,183)

Det.2 (184,185,186)

Det.3 (187,188,189)

Det.4 (190,191,192)

Company 2

Det.1 (193,194,195)

Det.2 (196,197,198 )

Det.3 (199,200,201)

Det.4 (202,203,204)

Company 3

Det.1 (205,206,207)

Det.2 (208,209,210)

Det.3 (211,212,213)

Det.4 (214,215,216)

Bataillon G

Company 1

Det.1 (217,218,219)

Det.2 (220,221,222)

Det.3 (223,224,225)

Det.4 (226,227,228 )

Company 2

Det.1 (229,230,231)

Det.2 (232,233,234)

Det.3 (235,236,237)

Det.4 (238,239,240)

Company 3

Det.1 (241,242,243)

Det.2 (244,245,246)

Det.3 (247,248,249)

Det.4 (250,251,252)

Bataillon H

Company 1

Det.1 (253,254,255)

Det.2 (256,257,258 )

Det.3 (259,260,261)

Det.4 (262,263,264)

Company 2

Det.1 (265,266,267)

Det.2 (268,269,270)

Det.3 (271,272,273)

Det.4 (274,275,276)

Company 3

Det.1 (277,278,279)

Det.2 (280,281,282)

Det.3 (282,284,285)

Det.4 (286,287,288 )

Bataillon 1

Company 1

Det.1 (1,2,3)

Det.2 (4,5,6)

Det.3 (7,8,9)

Det.4 (10,11,12)

Company 2

Det.1 (13,14,15)

Det.2 (16,17,18 )

Det.3 (19,20,21)

Det.4 (22,23,24)

Company 3

Det.1 (25,26,27)

Det.2 (28,29,30)

Det.3 (31,32,33)

Det.4 (34,35,36)

Bataillon 2

Company 1

Det.1 (37,38,39)

Det.2 (40,41,42)

Det.3 (43,44,45)

Det.4 (46,47,48 )

Company 2

Det.1 (49,50,51)

Det.2 (52,53,54)

Det.3 (55,56,57)

Det.4 (58,59,60)

Company 3

Det.1 (61,62,63)

Det.2 (64,65,66)

Det.3 (67,68,69)

Det.4 (70,71,72)

Bataillon 3

Company 1

Det.1 (73,74,75)

Det.2 (76,77,78 )

Det.3 (79,80,81)

Det.4 (82,83,84)

Company 2

Det.1 (85,86,87)

Det.2 (88,89,90)

Det.3 (91,92,93)

Det.4 (94,95,96)

Company 3

Det.1 (97,98,99)

Det.2 (100,101,102)

Det.3 (103,104,105)

Det.4 (106,107,108 )

Bataillon 4

Company 1

Det.1 (109,110,111)

Det.2 (112,113,114)

Det.3 (115,116,117)

Det.4 (118,119,120)

Company 2

Det.1 (121,122,123)

Det.2 (124,125,126)

Det.3 (127,128,129)

Det.4 (130,131,132)

Company 3

Det.1 (133,134,135)

Det.2 (136,137,138 )

Det.3 (139,140,141)

Det.4 (142,143,144)

Bataillon 5

Company 1

Det.1 (145,146,147)

Det.2 (148,149,150)

Det.3 (151,152,153)

Det.4 (154,155,156)

Company 2

Det.1 (157,158,159)

Det.2 (160,161,162)

Det.3 (163,164,165)

Det.4 (166,167,168 )

Company 3

Det.1 (169,170,171)

Det.2 (172,173,174)

Det.3 (175,176,177)

Det.4 (178,179,180)

Bataillon 6

Company 1

Det.1 (181,182,183)

Det.2 (184,185,186)

Det.3 (187,188,189)

Det.4 (190,191,192)

Company 2

Det.1 (193,194,195)

Det.2 (196,197,198 )

Det.3 (199,200,201)

Det.4 (202,203,204)

Company 3

Det.1 (205,206,207)

Det.2 (208,209,210)

Det.3 (211,212,213)

Det.4 (214,215,216)

Bataillon 7

Company 1

Det.1 (217,218,219)

Det.2 (220,221,222)

Det.3 (223,224,225)

Det.4 (226,227,228 )

Company 2

Det.1 (229,230,231)

Det.2 (232,233,234)

Det.3 (235,236,237)

Det.4 (238,239,240)

Company 3

Det.1 (241,242,243)

Det.2 (244,245,246)

Det.3 (247,248,249)

Det.4 (250,251,252)

Bataillon 8

Company 1

Det.1 (253,254,255)

Det.2 (256,257,258 )

Det.3 (259,260,261)

Det.4 (262,263,264)

Company 2

Det.1 (265,266,267)

Det.2 (268,269,270)

Det.3 (271,272,273)

Det.4 (274,275,276)

Company 3

Det.1 (277,278,279)

Det.2 (280,281,282)

Det.3 (283,284,285)

Det.4 (286,287,288 )

Bataillon 9

Company 1

Det.1 (289,290,291)

Det.2 (292,293,294)

Det.3 (295,296,297)

Det.4 (298,299,300)

Company 2

Det.1 (301,302,303)

Det.2 (304,305,306)

Det.3 (307,308,309)

Det.4 (310,311,312)

Company 3

Det.1 (313,314,315)

Det.2 (316,317,318 )

Det.3 (319,320,321)

Det.4 (322,323,324)

Bataillon 10

Company 1

Det.1 (325,326,327)

Det.2 (328,329,330)

Det.3 (331,332,333)

Det.4 (334,335,336)

Company 2

Det.1 (337,338,339)

Det.2 (340,341,342)

Det.3 (343,344,345)

Det.4 (346,347,348 )

Company 3

Det.1 (349,350,351)

Det.2 (352,353,354)

Det.3 (355,356,357)

Det.4 (358,359,360)

Bataillon 11

Company 1

Det.1 (361,362,363)

Det.2 (364,365,366)

Det.3 (367,368,369)

Det.4 (370,371,372)

Company 2

Det.1 (373,374,375)

Det.2 (376,377,378 )

Det.3 (379,380,381)

Det.4 (382,383,384)

Company 3

Det.1 (385,386,387)

Det.2 (388,389,390)

Det.3 (391,392,393)

Det.4 (394,395,396)

Bataillon 12

Company 1

Det.1 (397,398,399)

Det.2 (400,401,402)

Det.3 (403,404,405)

Det.4 (406,407,408 )

Company 2

Det.1 (409,410,411)

Det.2 (412,413,414)

Det.3 (415,416,417)

Det.4 (418,419,420)

Company 3

Det.1 (421,422,423)

Det.2 (424,425,426)

Det.3 (427,428,429)

Det.4 (430,431,432)

Bataillon 13

Company 1

Det.1 (433,434,435)

Det.2 (436,437,438 )

Det.3 (439,440,441)

Det.4 (442,443,444)

Company 2

Det.1 (445,446,447)

Det.2 (448,449,450)

Det.3 (451,452,453)

Det.4 (454,455,456)

Company 3

Det.1 (457,458,459)

Det.2 (460,461,462)

Det.3 (463,464,465)

Det.4 (466,467,468 )

Bataillon 14

Company 1

Det.1 (469,470,471)

Det.2 (472,473,474)

Det.3 (475,476,477)

Det.4 (478,479,480)

Company 2

Det.1 (481,482,483)

Det.2 (484,485,486)

Det.3 (487,488,489)

Det.4 (490,491,492)

Company 3

Det.1 (493,494,495)

Det.2 (496,497,498 )

Det.3 (499,500,501)

Det.4 (502,503,504)

Bataillon 15

Company 1

Det.1 (505,506,507)

Det.2 (508,509,510)

Det.3 (511,512,513)

Det.4 (514,515,516)

Company 2

Det.1 (517,518,519)

Det.2 (520,521,522)

Det.3 (523,524,525)

Det.4 (526,527,528 )

Company 3

Det.1 (529,530,531)

Det.2 (532,533,534)

Det.3 (535,536,537)

Det.4 (538,539,540)

In addition I have the following informations about "baptized" tanks:

B-8 (2556 - Banshee)

B-9 (2667 - Black Bess)

B-24 (8035 - Brigand)

B-28 (2080 - Black Arrow)

B-30 (Bally Hackle II)

B-36 (2896 - Bayardo)

B-57 (2873 - Blarney Castle)

C-14 (2883 -Culloden)

C-47 (Conquerer)

C-51 (2732 - Chaperon)

D-12 (716)

D-26 (799)

D-28 (586)

E-43 (Eldorado)

F-1 (Firespite)

F-2 (Frivolous)

F-3 (Frolic)

F-4 (Flirt)

F-5 (Firefly/Fervent)

F-6 (Feu d´artifice)

F-7 (Feu de ciel)

F-8 (Freemason)

F-9 (Feu Follet)

F-10 (Feu d´Enfer)

F-11 (Fizyama)

F-12 (2321 - Friar Tuck)

F-13 (Falcon)

F-15 (Fifinella)

F-17 (Follow the crowd)

F-19 (Fill up)

F-21 (Five Knights)

F-22 (Flying Fox)

F-23 (Foggie)

F-24 (Friskie)

F-25 (Fums Up)

F-26 (Fearless)

F-27 (Fighting Mac)

F-28 (Formidable)

F-30 (Flaming Fire)

F-31 (Fearnought)

F-36 (Furious)

F-37 (Ferocious)

F-38 (Firefly)

F-39 (Formosa)

F-41 (8019 - Fray Bentos)

F-42 (Faun)

F-43 (Fritz Phlattner)

F-45 (Fiducia)

F-46 (Fay)

F-47 (Foam/Foralone)

F-48 (Fiara)

H-46 (Hyaena)

H-48 (Hypatia)

F-49 (Fuiry)

F-50 (Fay)

F-51 (Fortuna)

F-52 (Foam II)

F-54 (Festina Lente)

F-55 (Fly-by-night)

F-56 (Fly Paper/Fan Tan)

F-57 (Flanders Fly)

F-58 (Fly Flapper)

H-49 (High Flyer)

I-36 (Invincible)

I-56 (2363)

Hello Tony!

Thanx for the link. But I do have that book as a pdf data (the 1919 edition).

The book´s full of informations about the tank battles and the history of the RTC. Unfortunately no infos about the numbers, th names and th different battle ordres during the war.

I asked the Imperial War Museum, but they too couldn´t help me

Hello Tony! Thank you for your help. I didn´t know the site, but unfortunately I only have found informations about the 2nd WW. I must say, that I´ve forgot to say, that I´m looking for infos about the WWI

Hello gentlemen!

I´ve just recieved this nice Edelweiss.

Its max. dimension are 3,8mm

But what do the letters mean?

If I read ATV, it doesn´t make any sense to me.

If I read AVT, I assume "Alpen-Verein-Tirol"

What do you think, please?

Hello gentlemen!

I´ve just recieved this nice Edelweiss. max dimension is 3,8mm.

I´m not sure what the letters mean.

If I read ATV, it doesn´t make any sense to me

If I read AVT, I assume "Alpen-Verein-Tirol"

What do you think, please?

Hello gentlemen!

Where can I find a book or a list about the organization, battle order,structures, numbers and names of the R.T.C. and all their tanks, please?

No. Impossible, Joe.

Cadet schools had guard Litzen. NCO pre-schools had polish cuffs and NCO schools had brandenburg ones.

And all of them didin´t had a bright cap band like this one on this photo

Hello Herbert!

This photo is not artillery. The he should have had a black cap band. This one is too bright. It´s also too bright for infantry, so I assume he wears the unifirm of a dragoon. There were four dragoon regiments in the north (IX and X army corps.) 16, 17, 18, 19.

177 and 18 had guard litzen, 19 had a black colour, so maybe he belonged to the 16th regiment. (colour yellow)

To not fall into oblivion...

I want to show you my latest one. Not a real Edelweiss, but a nice original veteran pin.

That´s right, mates! The Btl. Rohr came to Mouzon by ordre of the 5th army, 1st juin 1916. They took place on the left riverside of the Meuse near Mouzon.

The lorry´s plate shows us a V. That fits for 5th army

Hi Charles.

Yes, I have the new edition (two volumes)

Hi Chris!

I agree with the "four". Unfortunately I don´t have any idea for that....

^{That´s like mine in thread #89. But do we know, that the first owner did recieve it from the "box"? Some later Alpenkorps members bought themselves an Edelweiß, knowing they don´t have the permission to wear...}

Could he be:

Oberleutnant Edler v. Graeve (Gren.Rgt.110), later Hautpmann a.D.?

Here you go... feast your eyes on this one...

Hello Chris! Thanks for showing this very ineresting thing!

Well, there are different reasons to call someone "Sturmgrenadier". The words "Sturm-Gemeiner" or "Sturm-Infanterist" don´t sound good in german language. But for the main reason, we have to look at a Sturmbataillon.

The Sturmbataillon 2 existed of: One staff ; one Sturmkompanie, one MG-Kompanie and one MW-Kompanie. So I think, that Sturm-Grenadier Funk belonged to the Sturmkompanie of the bataillon.

and the last one...