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I´m not quite sure, but the three stripes mean Vizefeldwebel (in the "Friedensheer" 1919) But the unusual numbers upon the collar stand for "Feld- und Forstbeamte". (forest-officers). Look at my three attachements. Two of them have the numbers too nd one wears the stripes.

I can´t believe that photo with the "Z" is from 1923. Maybe dated, but that might be wrong. He wears a Bluse M15, that was not worn in the Reichswehr-era. The Z could stand for Zepellin or Zeughaus (material). Those patches could be worn in the 1st part after the war (1919 in the "vorläufige Reichswehr") But those patches were not official. If it is Zepellin, it must be an inofficial sign until 1918.

The last photo is a post-war photo again. Those stripes were worn in that era, but the collar is not military. Police? Office?

Du sprichst deutsch???

Well, it ain´t too much pages. But sometimes there are only numbers written, and I don´t know the senses.

You cán give me your email adress, so I can send you some copies in better quality

You should write an article using these plans...

There are a few abreviations and terms, that I don´t understand for 100%.....

It would be very difficult, adding the translation in english...

Damn, the time that must have taken to prepare by hand!

In the early days of my artillery career, we would do target lists and overlays ("measle sheets") by hand, but those were cocktail napkin drawings compared to this... Thankfully, not long after we started using computers and digital communications.

Thanks for sharing this bit of history.

Yes, it would not be my work.....

The more I read abozt that period, the more I am sure, that the map is the plan of the attack mof the 15th july. I compared the artillery units on the map with several books. It fits! The 3rd army didn´t fight against Reims, they shot southbound (direction Chalons) to save the 1st armies Marne-passing

I have a Feuerwalze map for te Kaiserschlacht somewhere...

Hi Chris. It would be nice, if you would find it...

and another one

and a close-up

Made some mistakes... Here it is

Here I want to show you the original plamns for a "Feuerwalze". In this case an attack from the Generalkommando XII. There are several field- and footart. units. But unfortunately it´s not dated.

Oh yes, thank you!!!!

Here is a stor, where you can buy hundreds of regimental histories on CD. They cost between 5 and 10€ each. Maybe he´s got that one too...

Oh yes, I have that book too. But it´s not completely. The Footartillery didin´t belong to the Inf.Div.. They stood unbder diferent commands for several days or weeks. That book isn´t right for my search. I could need the regimentsl history (if there was one published...)

Thanx, IrishGunner!

As far as I have found in the vol 14 of the "Reichsarchiv", the 3rd army stood in the 2nd half of june northeast of Chalons in preperation the big attack against Reims (they had to clear the south-east area of Reims). Beacuse of the first attacks agains Reims started in mid-july, I think, my documents are "not-executed-plans" in that time (maybe done in july)

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2010/post-6460-126615959236.jpgHello Gentlemen!

I am looking for the exactly position of the german I.Btl./Fußartillerie-Regiment 10 in the period from the middle of may 1918 and end of june 1918. I need the position, when the bataillon belonged to the 3rd army. It changed from the 2nd army to the 3rd army some time in late may 1918.

The reason because I´m looking for those informations is, thet I´ve got an original attack order indcluding an original transparent paper of the planning of a "Feuerwalze" (to lay upon a map - but the map is missed...). Unfortunately those documents are not dated. One general order about realising a "Feuerwalze" is dated 30th june 1918, the attack orders have earlier order-numbers, so I am sure, the attack was planned before the 30th june. They are all stamped by the 3rd army. And because of the I./Fußart.Rgt 10 changed between mid-may and end-june, I´d like to localize the area that should be attacked.

Thanks a lot in advance!

If you are interested in Sturmbataillone, I can recommend the following (if you are able to speak french...)

Jean-Claude Laparre: Les "Gladiateurs" - Les formations offensives dans l´armée allemande 1914-1918

Hi Hardy!

Exatly this one! It´s very nice book! Interesting photos and unknown bachground for a cheap price. It´s very recommandable!

Hi Hardy!

Thanx a lot for the informations! Right yesterday I bought myself a book about the Sturmbataillon 16! So I wanted to update my question too. Thanx for doing that for me...

Yes, maybe someone will know something about it...

Thanx a lot for your help!!!!!!!!!

Yes,. they were statines all over the Reich, but each "section" had their own number.

On the rear is nothing but a greeting.

But I think you are right. The blame is on me. On the bottom right is a small stamp from the photo-atelier. It is from Pirmasens. This town is next door to Saarbrücken! So it could be possible, that RAD men from Friesland came to work near the french border, so the sleevebands could be temporary?

Hello Simon!

Thanx for the infos. That is very interesting! My source was the book "Badges and insignia if the 3rd Reich 1933-1945" by Brian Leigh Davis.

I really can´t believe that S means Saar (in this case). Unfortunately the photo is not dated. From two other sources I´ve heard, that the numbers are surely from Friesland (the Northwest coast of German)